Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it will pass -------------------------
Yes we did. Ready to move on Tom, or would you like a list of democrats who voted against extending UI benefits, using your criteria? On Dec 18, 11:20 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > You really are a dipsh*t. We told you long ago bring it up by itself > and it will pass. They finally did and it passed. Doesn't matter > what else you say, that is what happened. Now to see that the rest of > these bills continue getting voted down. None of them are worth passing. > > On 12/18/2010 10:02 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > > > > Wrong again. > > What I saw was that 31 Republican Senators voted against DADT repeal > > based upon their stand alone misguided homophobia which has now been > > plainly exposed. We must now campaign to vote all 31 of them out of > > office to get ENDA, UAFA, and AEB passed, and DOMA repealed. 2012, > > Bring it on. > > > On 12/18/10, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: > >> Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it will > >> pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the Omnibus > >> earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn something but > >> I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of the votes > >> against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other than DADT. > >> Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming anything > >> that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. Obviously > >> that is not so. > > >> On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >>> Victory! Senate Repeals �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell�, Despite 31 > >>> Republican > >>> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a long overdue > >>> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and Passige of ENDA > >>> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for Civil > >>> Rights are next. > > >>> Senate Repeals �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell� > > >>> Drew Angerer/The New York Times > >>> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority Leader > >>> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the �don�t ask, don�t > >>> tell� vote. > > >>> By CARL HULSE > >>> nk WASHINGTON � The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down the ban on > >>> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing to a > >>> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands of > >>> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret their sexual > >>> orientation. > > >>> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. Lieberman, Susan > >>> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on the repeal > >>> of �don�t ask, don�t tell.� > > >>> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining Democrats, the > >>> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the > >>> Clinton-era law, known as �don�t ask, don�t tell,� a policy > >>> critics > >>> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that treated > >>> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. > > >>> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to reverse the > >>> ban, and said it was �time to close this chapter in our history.� > > >>> �As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that making > >>> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our troops as > >>> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has ever > >>> known,� he said in a statement after the Senate, on a preliminary > >>> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final action on > >>> the repeal bill. > > >>> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the end of > >>> racial segregation in the military. > > >>> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the policy > >>> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit cohesion and > >>> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine Corps > >>> expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional action > >>> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a > >>> court-ordered end. > > >>> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to abolish what > >>> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable personnel and > >>> forced troops to lie to serve their country. > > >>> �We righted a wrong,� said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the > >>> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to end the > >>> ban. �Today we�ve done justice.� > > >>> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that would have > >>> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants who came > >>> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of college or > >>> military service and met other requirements including passing a > >>> criminal background check. > > >>> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five votes > >>> short of the number needed to clear the way for final passage of what > >>> is known as the Dream Act. > > >>> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate beyond > >>> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control of the > >>> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to bring it to a > >>> vote. > > >>> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, engaging in an > >>> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as advocates > >>> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people interested in > >>> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. > > >>> �I don�t care who you love,� Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, > >>> said as the debate opened. �If you love this country enough to risk > >>> your life for it, you shouldn�t have to hide who you are.� > > >>> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying earlier that he > >>> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing final tests > >>> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. > > >>> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as Democrats > >>> sought to force through a final few priorities before they turn over > >>> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans in January > >>> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. > > >>> It represented a significant victory for the White House, > >>> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who have > >>> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 under the > >>> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the practice of > >>> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service. > > >>> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the gay > >>> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of �don�t ask, > >>> don�t tell� exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after the vote. > > >>> �Today�s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted all around > >>> the world can stand taller knowing that �don�t ask, don�t tell� > >>> will > >>> soon be coming to an end,� said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army veteran and > >>> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. > > >>> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party�s > >>> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the repeal and > >>> said the vote was a sad day in history. > > >>> �I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will understand > >>> that we are doing great damage,� Mr. McCain said. �And we could > >>> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine Corps said, and > >>> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of the military, > >>> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our young men > >>> and women in the military.� > > >>> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change could harm > >>> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military operations, > >>> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from enlisting or > >>> pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite support for > >>> repealing the ban from Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. Mike > >>> Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other military > >>> commanders have warned that changing the practice would prove > >>> disruptive. > > >>> �This isn�t broke,� Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, > >>> said about the policy. �It is working very well.� > > >>> Other Republicans said that while the policy might need to be changed > >>> at some point, Congress should not do so when American troops are > >>> fighting overseas. > > >>> Only a week ago, the effort to repeal the �don�t ask, don�t tell� > >>> policy seemed to be dead and in danger of fading for at least two > >>> years with Republicans about to take control of the House. The > >>> provision eliminating the ban was initially included in a broader > >>> Pentagon policy bill, and Republican backers of repeal had refused to > >>> join in cutting off a filibuster against the underlying bill because > >>> of objections over limits on debate of the measure. > > >>> In a last-ditch effort, Mr. Lieberman and Senator Susan Collins of > >>> Maine, a key Republican opponent of the ban, encouraged Democratic > >>> Congressional leaders to instead pursue a vote on simply repealing it. > >>> The House passed the measure earlier in the week. > > >>> The repeal will not take effect for at least 60 days, and probably > >>> longer, while some other procedural steps are taken. In addition, the > >>> bill requires the defense secretary to determine that policies are in > >>> place to carry out the repeal �consistent with military standards for > >>> readiness, effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and > >>> retention.� > > >>> Multimedia > >>> Interactive Graphic > >>> How the Senate Voted > > >>> Timeline > >>> Congressional Action on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" > > >>> Blogs > >>> The Caucus > >>> The latest on President Obama, the new Congress and other news from > >>> Washington and around the nation. Join the discussion. > > >>> FiveThirtyEight: Nate Silver's Political Calculus > >>> More Politics News > >>> �It is going to take some time,� Ms. Collins said. �It is not going > >>> to > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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