No, you stop your hate smears and lies, Little Keithie. On 12/19/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Stop the hate, smear and lies Lil Tommy!! > > <Grin>!! > > > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:27 PM, GregfromBoston > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it will >> pass >> ------------------------- >> >> Yes we did. >> >> Ready to move on Tom, or would you like a list of democrats who voted >> against extending UI benefits, using your criteria? >> >> On Dec 18, 11:20 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > You really are a dipsh*t. We told you long ago bring it up by itself >> > and it will pass. They finally did and it passed. Doesn't matter >> > what else you say, that is what happened. Now to see that the rest of >> > these bills continue getting voted down. None of them are worth >> > passing. >> > >> > On 12/18/2010 10:02 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > Wrong again. >> > > What I saw was that 31 Republican Senators voted against DADT repeal >> > > based upon their stand alone misguided homophobia which has now been >> > > plainly exposed. We must now campaign to vote all 31 of them out of >> > > office to get ENDA, UAFA, and AEB passed, and DOMA repealed. 2012, >> > > Bring it on. >> > >> > > On 12/18/10, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by itself and it will >> > >> pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes against the Omnibus >> > >> earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might learn something >> but >> > >> I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that some of the votes >> > >> against the Omnibus krep bill were against something other than DADT. >> > >> Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded to blaming >> > >> anything >> > >> that goes against what you want as being homophobic alone. Obviously >> > >> that is not so. >> > >> > >> On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> > >>> Victory! Senate Repeals �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell�, Despite 31 >> Republican >> > >>> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt. This is a long >> overdue >> > >>> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA and Passige of >> > >>> ENDA >> > >>> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality Bill for Civil >> > >>> Rights are next. >> > >> > >>> Senate Repeals �Don�t Ask, Don�t Tell� >> > >> > >>> Drew Angerer/The New York Times >> > >>> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as Majority Leader >> > >>> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the �don�t ask, >> don�t >> > >>> tell� vote. >> > >> > >>> By CARL HULSE >> > >>> nk WASHINGTON � The Senate on Saturday voted to strike down the >> > >>> ban >> on >> > >>> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the military, bringing to a >> > >>> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced thousands of >> > >>> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep secret their >> sexual >> > >>> orientation. >> > >> > >>> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I. Lieberman, Susan >> > >>> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news conference on the repeal >> > >>> of �don�t ask, don�t tell.� >> > >> > >>> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans joining Democrats, the >> > >>> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a repeal of the >> > >>> Clinton-era law, known as �don�t ask, don�t tell,� a policy >> critics >> > >>> said amounted to government-sanctioned discrimination that treated >> > >>> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class citizens. >> > >> > >>> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his pledge to reverse >> > >>> the >> > >>> ban, and said it was �time to close this chapter in our >> > >>> history.� >> > >> > >>> �As commander in chief, I am also absolutely convinced that making >> > >>> this change will only underscore the professionalism of our troops >> > >>> as >> > >>> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the world has ever >> > >>> known,� he said in a statement after the Senate, on a preliminary >> > >>> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to block final action on >> > >>> the repeal bill. >> > >> > >>> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated with the end of >> > >>> racial segregation in the military. >> > >> > >>> It followed an exhaustive Pentagon review that determined the policy >> > >>> could be changed with only isolated disruptions to unit cohesion and >> > >>> retention, though members of combat units and the Marine Corps >> > >>> expressed greater reservations about the shift. Congressional action >> > >>> was backed by Pentagon officials as a better alternative to a >> > >>> court-ordered end. >> > >> > >>> Supporters of the repeal said it was long past time to abolish what >> > >>> they saw as an ill-advised practice that cost valuable personnel and >> > >>> forced troops to lie to serve their country. >> > >> > >>> �We righted a wrong,� said Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, the >> > >>> independent from Connecticut and a leader of the effort to end the >> > >>> ban. �Today we�ve done justice.� >> > >> > >>> Before voting on the repeal, the Senate blocked a bill that would >> have >> > >>> created a path to citizenship for certain illegal immigrants who >> > >>> came >> > >>> to the United States at a young age, completed two years of college >> or >> > >>> military service and met other requirements including passing a >> > >>> criminal background check. >> > >> > >>> The 55-to-41 vote in favor of the citizenship bill was five votes >> > >>> short of the number needed to clear the way for final passage of >> > >>> what >> > >>> is known as the Dream Act. >> > >> > >>> The outcome effectively kills it for this year, and its fate beyond >> > >>> that is uncertain since Republicans who will assume control of the >> > >>> House in January oppose the measure and are unlikely to bring it to >> > >>> a >> > >>> vote. >> > >> > >>> The Senate then moved on to the military legislation, engaging in an >> > >>> emotional back and forth over the merits of the measure as advocates >> > >>> for repeal watched from galleries crowded with people interested in >> > >>> the fate of both the military and immigration measures. >> > >> > >>> �I don�t care who you love,� Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of >> Oregon, >> > >>> said as the debate opened. �If you love this country enough to >> > >>> risk >> > >>> your life for it, you shouldn�t have to hide who you are.� >> > >> > >>> Mr. Wyden showed up for the Senate vote despite saying earlier that >> he >> > >>> would be unable to do so because he would be undergoing final tests >> > >>> before his scheduled surgery for prostate cancer on Monday. >> > >> > >>> The vote came in the final days of the 111th Congress as Democrats >> > >>> sought to force through a final few priorities before they turn over >> > >>> control of the House of Representatives to the Republicans in >> > >>> January >> > >>> and see their clout in the Senate diminished. >> > >> > >>> It represented a significant victory for the White House, >> > >>> Congressional advocates of lifting the ban and activists who have >> > >>> pushed for years to end the Pentagon policy created in 1993 under >> > >>> the >> > >>> Clinton administration as a compromise effort to end the practice of >> > >>> barring gay men and lesbians entirely from military service. >> > >> > >>> Saying it represented an emotional moment for members of the gay >> > >>> community nationwide, advocates who supported repeal of �don�t >> ask, >> > >>> don�t tell� exchanged hugs outside the Senate chamber after the >> vote. >> > >> > >>> �Today�s vote means gay and lesbian service members posted all >> around >> > >>> the world can stand taller knowing that �don�t ask, don�t >> tell� will >> > >>> soon be coming to an end,� said Aubrey Sarvis, an Army veteran and >> > >>> executive director for Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. >> > >> > >>> Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and his party�s >> > >>> presidential candidate in 2008, led the opposition to the repeal and >> > >>> said the vote was a sad day in history. >> > >> > >>> �I hope that when we pass this legislation that we will understand >> > >>> that we are doing great damage,� Mr. McCain said. �And we could >> > >>> possibly and probably, as the commandant of the Marine Corps said, >> and >> > >>> as I have been told by literally thousands of members of the >> military, >> > >>> harm the battle effectiveness vital to the survival of our young men >> > >>> and women in the military.� >> > >> > >>> He and others opposed to lifting the ban said the change could harm >> > >>> the unit cohesion that is essential to effective military >> > >>> operations, >> > >>> particularly in combat, and deter some Americans from enlisting or >> > >>> pursuing a career in the military. They noted that despite support >> for >> > >>> repealing the ban from Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Adm. >> Mike >> > >>> Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, other military >> > >>> commanders have warned that changing the practice would prove >> > >>> disruptive. >> > >> > >>> �This isn�t broke,� Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of >> Oklahoma, >> > >>> said about the policy. �It is working very well.� >> > >> > >>> Other Republicans said that while the policy might need to be >> > >>> changed >> > >>> at some point, Congress should not do so when American troops are >> > >>> fighting overseas. >> > >> > >>> Only a week ago, the effort to repeal the �don�t ask, don�t >> tell� >> > >>> policy seemed to be dead and in danger of fading for at least two >> > >>> years with Republicans about to take control of the House. The >> > >>> provision eliminating the ban was initially included in a broader >> > >>> Pentagon policy bill, and Republican backers of repeal had refused >> > >>> to >> > >>> join in cutting off a filibuster against the underlying bill because >> > >>> of objections over limits on debate of the measure. >> > >> > >>> In a last-ditch effort, Mr. Lieberman and Senator Susan Collins of >> > >>> Maine, a key Republican opponent of the ban, encouraged Democratic >> > >>> Congressional leaders to instead pursue a vote on simply repealing >> it. >> > >>> The House passed the measure earlier in the week. >> > >> > >>> The repeal will not take effect for at least 60 days, and probably >> > >>> longer, while some other procedural steps are taken. In addition, >> > >>> the >> > >>> bill requires the defense secretary to determine that policies are >> > >>> in >> > >>> place to carry out the repeal �consistent with military standards >> for >> > >>> readiness, effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and >> > >>> retention.� >> > >> > >>> Multimedia >> > >>> Interactive Graphic >> > >>> How the Senate Voted >> > >> > >>> Timeline >> > >>> Congressional Action on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" >> > >> > >>> Blogs >> > >>> The Caucus >> > >>> The latest on President Obama, the new Congress and other news from >> > >>> Washington and around the nation. Join the discussion. >> > >> > >>> FiveThirtyEight: Nate Silver's Political Calculus >> > >>> More Politics News >> > >>> �It is going to take some time,� Ms. Collins said. �It is not >> going to >> > >> > ... >> > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - >> > >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
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