Karl Marx, but I am not a Marxist. On 12/23/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Damn TommyTomTom, > > It is a PUBLIC FORUM. That means it is a DEMOCRATIC FORUM where everybody is > allowed to chime in. > > You never did answer that (or for that matter....ANY) last question of > mine....Who said those things... whose UNDENIABLE quotes are they ?? > > Just to refresh your short term memory.... > > Who said the below ?? > > “The human being is in the most literal sense a political animal, not merely > a gregarious animal, but an animal which can individuate itself only in the > midst of society.” > > “The history of all previous societies has been the history of class > struggles.” > > “In bourgeois (capitalist) society capital is independent and has > individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no > individuality.” > > “From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need.” > > “Democracy is the road to socialism.” > > “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class > struggles.” > > “WORKERS OF ALL LANDS UNITE.” > > “THE PHILOSOPHERS HAVE ONLY INTERPRETED THE WORLD IN VARIOUS WAYS - THE > POINT HOWEVER IS TO CHANGE IT.” > > “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class > struggles.” > > “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.” > > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Markie Mark- >> >> Who asked you to chime in? >> I was addressing Keith's lie that he "never" called me an "asshole." >> Please MYOB. >> >> On 12/23/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Here is the post by you that preceded your being called an "asshole". >> Funny >> > but it looks like you were the first to post a "smear" about Glenn Becks >> > rally about God and Country. Then you refused to answer any question on >> your >> > position posting instead something entirely irrelevant to the discussion >> or >> > the question posed. >> > >> > Your answer was to say, when pinned back by your ears for an on topic >> > response, that Keith was a Jackass. >> > >> > So yes, if you were a trial attorney, you would have just convicted >> yourself >> > for having thrown the first punch. >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Lil"FascistReichWingnutKeithieKeith- >> >> >> >> My memory is excellent and serves me well. I should have been a trial >> >> attorney. >> >> >> >> 1. Yes, you have indeed called me "asshole." One of my posts enraged >> >> you so that you did in fact call me "asshole". This was some time ago. >> >> Perhaps you were drinking when you wrote this. Search your group >> >> archives here: >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/abda3fce2e182b23/aa056c8f40e95ac6?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=+asshole+keith+tommy#aa056c8f40e95ac6 >> >> >> >> On September 1st, at 3:32 PM. you, "Keith in Tampa" wrote, and I >> >> quote, >> " >> >> >> >> " Hey Asshole, >> >> >> >> First, if I choose to drink, it's my business. Second, you are a >> typical >> >> Anti-American Marxist who when confronted with truth, can only revert >> >> to >> >> nasty name calling and hateful spew. >> >> Personally I love myself! To know me is to love me! >> >> >> >> Your last line is typical of far left Marxists, and proof that you >> >> don't >> >> have a clue. >> >> >> >> G'Nite!! " >> >> >> >> 2. Yes, you most certainly have. Search your group archives for proof. >> >> >> >> 3. I am not a "moonbat" which is an offensive hateful insult and a >> >> false >> >> smear. >> >> I am an American human, and not a moon, a bat, or a "moonbat". >> >> >> >> 4. and 5. Calling someone something they are not, like "Socialist" is >> >> indeed derogatory, a personal attack, an insult, and a false lie. >> >> I am not a "Marrxist" "Socialist" or a "Communist". >> >> >> >> 6. Wrong again. More lies hate and smear from Keith. Tommy is not and >> >> never has been "a very hateful, liar who smears those who don't march >> >> to your >> >> socialist Anti-American rainbow agenda." >> >> >> >> This thread proves that you are indeed a liar with a poor memory and a >> >> purveyour of false, hateful smear, Lil'KeitheKeith. >> >> >> >> On 12/23/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Lil"MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews, >> >> > >> >> > 1. I have never called you an asshole. >> >> > >> >> > 2, I have never said half of the ridiculous claims that you have made >> >> here. >> >> > >> >> > 3. You are a Moonbat, your posts demonstrate that you don't read, >> study, >> >> or >> >> > have an inkling about what is going on around you. The fact that >> >> > you >> >> > cannot point to any of the claims that you make, or support any of >> your >> >> > arguments with substantive, logical thought also is another inkling. >> >> prove >> >> > that. >> >> > >> >> > 4. Calling a Socialist, a "Socialist" is not a derogatory term. >> >> > >> >> > 5. Calling a Marxist, a "Marxist" is not derogatory either. >> >> > >> >> > 6. You are a very hateful, liar who smears those who don't march to >> >> > your >> >> > socialist Anti-American rainbow agenda. This thread proves that. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Markie Mark- >> >> >> >> >> >> After the Republican Obstructionists take control of Congress in >> >> >> January, I predict that very little will get passed. Their primary >> >> >> un-American objective is to make The President of The United States >> >> >> fail. Watch and see. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/23/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Most, yes; and I read it all... as do MOST posters on this >> >> >> > forum... >> >> >> except >> >> >> > you. As long as gay equality (NOT rights) is tied to immigration, >> >> >> > budget, >> >> >> or >> >> >> > anything else that is slightly distasteful it will NOT pass. >> >> >> > The day it is introduced as a sole and separate issue it will >> >> >> > pass. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> No, I have not read the entire bill. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Are you aware that most legislation before Congress almost always >> >> >> >> has >> >> >> >> unrelated amendments and attachments? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/23/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Tommy, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > A simple question..... Have you ever read any of the proposed >> DOMA >> >> >> >> > repeal >> >> >> >> > legislation and all the "attachments" and "amendments" that >> >> >> >> > have >> >> >> forever >> >> >> >> > been attached to to it ??? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > If and when....like DADT.... a simple single subject bill to >> make >> >> all >> >> >> >> civil >> >> >> >> > unions equal in every way is put forth it will pass. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Mark <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Tommy, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Your "list" proves that you never did understand what you are >> >> >> reading. >> >> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> >> can be free to attack your "ideas" without that attack having >> >> >> anything >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> do >> >> >> >> >> with you personally. You put yourself forward as "Tommy News" >> and >> >> we >> >> >> >> >> expect >> >> >> >> >> (yet never get) a semblance of neutrality and or objectivity >> from >> >> >> >> anything >> >> >> >> >> connected with "News"; thus the plays on your chosen moniker. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As to the Marxist/Socialist claims... Obama made them himself >> in >> >> his >> >> >> >> >> auto-biography. For you to try to dismiss this is absurd. >> Denial >> >> is >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> river in Egypt. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Tommy News < >> [email protected] >> >> > >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Lil Keithie Kieth >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> I am very sorry that you are such a homophobic Reich wingnut >> >> >> fascist. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> To repeat again, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> Don't you believe that when you called me "Asshole" >> >> >> >> >>> "Moonbat" >> >> >> >> >>> "Marxist" "Socialist" >> >> >> >> >>> "Young Tommy" "Lil Tom Tom" "Ignorant" etc. you were being >> >> hateful, >> >> >> >> >>> smearing and hurting me, and lying? >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> I believe you are telling lies again.You have demonstrated >> again >> >> >> >> >>> and >> >> >> >> >>> again that you do NOT hold "beliefs of equality for all" as >> you >> >> >> >> >>> falsely >> >> >> >> >>> claim. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> You oppose the repeal of DADT, which has ruined thousands of >> >> lives >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >>> careers. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against >> >> legally >> >> >> >> >>> married same sex couples who only want equal Federal marriage >> >> >> benefits >> >> >> >> >>> such as social security and joint tax returns, etc. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> You oppose Civil Marriage Equality for same sex couples. >> >> >> >> >>> Civil >> >> >> Unions >> >> >> >> >>> and domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts with >> >> fewer >> >> >> >> >>> benefits and rights. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> You oppose UAFA, and favor tearing loving same sex families >> >> >> >> >>> apart >> >> >> >> >>> through deportation. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> You appear to falsely believe that being gay is a choice and >> >> >> >> >>> a >> >> >> >> >>> lifestyle, which it is not. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> You believe that all gays are flamboyant chaps wearing cross >> >> >> dressing >> >> >> >> >>> exhibitionist sex fiends, which most are not. Most dress >> better >> >> and >> >> >> >> >>> more conservatively than you do. Many are chaste and >> >> >> >> >>> celebate. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> You, Keith, by your own admissions, are a prejudiced >> >> >> >> >>> misguided >> >> >> >> >>> misinformed homophobic Reich wingnut bigot with a dirty mind. >> >> Yes, >> >> >> you >> >> >> >> >>> are. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> On 12/23/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> > LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews, >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > How, or why would you make such a slanderous statement as >> >> >> >> >>> > that? >> >> >> >> >>> > Can >> >> >> >> >>> you >> >> >> >> >>> > point to something that would make you say such a hateful >> lie >> >> and >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >>> smear >> >> >> >> >>> > against my person? >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > Either point to a post, with the quote, or make an apology. >> >> One >> >> >> or >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> > other, >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > KeithInTampa >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Tommy News < >> >> >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> Keith does not champion gays as equals. >> >> >> >> >>> >> He sees them as second class citizens. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >> > Tommy, >> >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> > Where is the need to champion ANY group when you >> >> >> >> >>> >> > champion >> >> all >> >> >> as >> >> >> >> >>> equals >> >> >> >> >>> >> ?? >> >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News < >> >> >> >> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Keith- >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Although you flippantly state that "Yea, I am an >> arrogant >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> asshole", >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have >> >> >> demonstrated >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I suggest that you make youself a New Year's resolution >> to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> become >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> an >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> friends >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >>> group >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> members, as other Republicans have done. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Merry Christmas. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Hey Wayne! >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > How do ya think stereotypes get started? Any truth >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > them? >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Hey Vince! >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as, was >> >> >> >> >>> condescending! >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Yea, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty friendly >> >> >> asshole! >> >> >> >> >>> Nope, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > not >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > pacifying anyone, ya wanna hear the truth? Come on >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > over >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > I >> >> >> >> >>> will >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > shed >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > the light for ya! >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas! >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > KeithInDC >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> You know it isn't really worth the effort to get >> Keith >> >> to >> >> >> see >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> other >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than >> >> someone >> >> >> who >> >> >> >> >>> claims >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> they >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> are not prejudice and then make the statements that >> he >> >> >> does. >> >> >> >> It >> >> >> >> >>> like >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> saying >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when really >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> they >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> just >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> pacifying >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> us. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> He is really saying these things based on his >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> experience >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> years >> >> >> >> >>> >> ago, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I suspect that was before DADT was even in >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> existence. >> >> He >> >> >> has >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> opinion >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> just >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> like everyone else. And everyone has the right to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> his >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> or >> >> >> hers >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> own >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> opinion. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> just wish it wasn't aired in this group. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I am very thankful for the straight friends I do >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> have >> >> that >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >>> truly >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had >> more >> >> of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> them >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> world. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry < >> >> >> >> >>> [email protected]> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me that >> you >> >> >> really >> >> >> >> >>> can't >> >> >> >> >>> >> see >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> forest for the trees? >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> heterosexuality represents 90% of the population. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> in >> >> fact >> >> >> if >> >> >> >> i >> >> >> >> >>> am >> >> >> >> >>> >> not >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored >> purse, >> >> no >> >> >> one >> >> >> >> >>> ever >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> suspects >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> even >> >> when >> >> >> he >> >> >> >> >>> says >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> judas >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> priest is his favorite metal band! because most >> people >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> are >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> straight, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> assumption both gays AND straights operate under is >> >> that >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> when >> >> >> >> >>> you >> >> >> >> >>> >> meet >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> man >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the >> >> >> ladies >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - >> >> >> >> >>> you >> >> >> >> >>> >> got >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> 9 >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> in >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except when >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you >> >> >> ARE >> >> >> >> >>> wrong. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> stereotypes exist because in any group you can name >> >> there >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> are >> >> >> >> >>> often >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> people >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some >> jews >> >> ARE >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> cheap, >> >> >> >> >>> >> some >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> white >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> prefer >> >> >> flowers >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> football... >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> but within any stereotype there are plenty enough >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> dissonances >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> reveal >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> stereotype for what it is... a careless and casual >> >> >> painting >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> large >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> group >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> of people as being all the same, when indeed none >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> us >> >> >> are. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> no one has to say they are straight because there >> are >> >> so >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> many >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you can scarcely imagine people who are not like >> you. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> military, >> >> >> >> yet >> >> >> >> >>> >> there's >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> still a certain amount of macho involved in the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> job! >> >> but >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> here >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> is >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> thing... in all but the most antiseptic >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> atmospheres, >> >> >> someone >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >>> >> gonna >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> ask >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you about your life outside the job. and there is >> >> nothing >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >>> >> sounds >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> worse >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a wife >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> or >> >> even >> >> >> >> just >> >> >> >> >>> some >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> girl >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry i >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> don't >> >> >> talk >> >> >> >> >>> about >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> personal >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> avoid >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> question. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> when >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> there is no penalty for telling the truth you are >> much >> >> >> less >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a >> >> >> >> >>> freak >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> when >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife or >> a >> >> >> >> >>> girlfriend... >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i'm >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> gay >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even, "i'm >> not >> >> >> seeing >> >> >> >> >>> anyone >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya catch >> my >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> drift." >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my >> life >> >> (my >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> tastes >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> are >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> somewhat different from yours, observably, aren't >> >> they?) >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >>> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> most >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> mundane aspects of life - the need for personal >> >> >> connection, >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> need >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> eat, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the need to have some sort of meaning in your work? >> >> it's >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> same >> >> >> >> >>> >> for >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> straight guy as a gay guy. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i really can't understand your need to cling to a >> >> fairly >> >> >> >> >>> outdated >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> concept >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> of what a gay man is when you are the moderator of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> group >> >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >>> >> gives >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> you >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> every evidence of a gay men who are far from those >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> stereotypical >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> pictures. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Hello Mustang! Good to see ya! >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive, >> that >> >> >> there >> >> >> >> >>> would >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> be >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> at >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> (<Grin!!> >> >> >> >> >>> asshole!!) >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> who >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> would >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> call me on my last missive! Touche'! >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> It is in fact a hard concept that I was >> attempting >> >> to >> >> >> >> frame, >> >> >> >> >>> and >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> you >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> are correct....Sort of. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> "Macho" >> >> >> image, >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >>> it >> >> >> >> >>> >> is >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> hard >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> to not separate the Macho Man who is the ladies' >> man. >> >> >> This >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >>> in >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> direct >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> conflict with my statement that the military does >> not >> >> >> allow >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> for >> >> >> >> >>> >> those >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> who >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> wear their sexual identity on their sleeve. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> There are a number of men in the military who do >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> in >> >> fact >> >> >> >> play >> >> >> >> >>> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> "cassanova" role. I will admit that to a degree, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> this >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> is >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >>> double >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> standard >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> and in conflict with my premise. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Having said that, in my 53 years, I have yet to >> meet >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> Heterosexual, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> who >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> identifies himself as a, "Heterosexual". That his >> >> whole >> >> >> >> life >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> revolves >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> around being, "Heterosexual". His politics; his >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> social >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> life; >> >> >> >> >>> >> his >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> mannerisms; his diet; his wardrobe; his decor; >> his >> >> >> >> passions, >> >> >> >> >>> >> likes, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> dislikes, hatreds, loves, and yes, sexual >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> appetite, >> >> are >> >> >> all >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> defined >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> by >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> his >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> "Straightness". >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Please point this/these individual(s) out to me. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Therein lies the distinction, and no, nothing >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> about >> >> the >> >> >> >> repeal >> >> >> >> >>> of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> DADT >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> will change the rejection by the United States >> >> Military >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> this >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> one >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> major >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> issue, of Gay men or women who choose to defend >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> our >> >> >> Nation. >> >> >> >> >>> Just >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> like >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> their >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> straight counterparts, they cannot and will not >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> be >> >> able >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >>> >> broadcast >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> their >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> sexual proclivities, as is done so much in the Gay >> >> >> >> community, >> >> >> >> >>> and >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> maybe >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> in >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> some Heterosexual social circles; (Like the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Nudist/Swapping >> >> >> >> >>> >> crews). >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> KeithInDC >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Mustang < >> >> >> >> >>> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Keith, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> While I agree with many, if not most, things you >> say >> >> we >> >> >> >> >>> disagree >> >> >> >> >>> >> on >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> couple. This being one of them. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> "The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this >> >> will >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> include >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear >> their >> >> >> >> sexuality >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> openly, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> or to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> publicly. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> " >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Heterosexuals already do wear their sexuality >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> preference >> >> >> >> >>> openly. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Are you saying that everyone will suddenly be >> >> forbidden >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> any >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> opportunity >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> to display or even have pictures of their family >> and >> >> >> >> friends? >> >> >> >> >>> No >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> one >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> be allowed to admit they write, call, or discuss >> any >> >> >> >> >>> >> communications >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> with >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> their wives, husbands, girlfriends or boyfriends? >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> No >> >> >> one >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will >> >> >> >> >>> be >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> allowed to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> talk about how things are going at home or plans >> >> after >> >> >> >> >>> discharge? >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> While on >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> leave, no one can invite a male or female >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> military >> >> >> friend >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> spend >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Holidays with a spouse, or to openly have two >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Dads >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> or >> >> >> two >> >> >> >> >>> Moms? >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> The Israeli military has not gone to hell in a >> hand >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> basket. >> >> >> >> >>> They >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> have >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> no problem with both genders or gay people being >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> drafted >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >>> then >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> working >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> cohesively. It's the same as acceptance of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> blacks >> >> and >> >> >> >> women >> >> >> >> >>> was >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> decades >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> ago. Much ado about nothing. I am certain our >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> military >> >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> >>> be >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> able >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> keep their minds focused on the tasks assigned. >> >> Anyone >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> who >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> is >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> qualified >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> should have the right to apply to defend our >> nation. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Absolute >> >> >> >> >>> >> 100% >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuality should not be a requirement. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Nothing >> >> >> will >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> change. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Mustang >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Bigotry disguised as morality is still bigotry >> just >> >> as >> >> >> an >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> outhouse >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> with >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> marble columns is still an outhouse. - D.A. >> Ridgely >> >> >> >> (whomever >> >> >> >> >>> he >> >> >> >> >>> >> is) >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> *From:* Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 9:18:24 AM >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Historical Pictorial] Victory! >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Senate >> >> >> >> Repeals >> >> >> >> >>> >> ‘Don’t >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 Republican No Votes >> and >> >> >> John >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> McCain's >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Fillibuster Attempt >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> No question, I see this issue from a different >> >> >> perspective >> >> >> >> >>> than I >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> believe most do here in HP. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that >> >> >> significant, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> although >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> I agree with Rob and his assessment, I also >> think >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> that >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> there >> >> >> >> >>> is >> >> >> >> >>> >> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> major >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> else >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> in >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> group >> >> >> >> >>> >> has >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> touched >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> upon. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will >> >> >> >> include >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear >> their >> >> >> >> sexuality >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> openly, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> or to >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> publicly. >> >> In >> >> >> >> other >> >> >> >> >>> >> words, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> NO >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> ONE >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> in the military can be or will be identified by >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> their >> >> >> >> sexual >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> proclivities or >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> sexual identification, which is a common factor >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> in >> >> the >> >> >> Gay >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> community. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> This >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> is where so many in the Gay community are >> mistaken. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> The military will boot out a service member who >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> is >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> an >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> admitted >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> adulterer. Service members who are into any type >> of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> sado-masochistic activities and make them public >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> be >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> summarily >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> discharged. Those service members who are into >> >> >> "swinging" >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and >> >> >> >> >>> >> have >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> multiple >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> sexual partners, and who make that aspect of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> their >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> lives >> >> >> >> >>> public, >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> be >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> shown the door and discharged. All branches >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> of >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> service >> >> >> >> >>> >> will >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> not >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> condone any member who bases his or her lifestyle >> >> upon >> >> >> >> their >> >> >> >> >>> >> sexual >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> identiy. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Nothng has changed. >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Just as important, the military does in fact have >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and >> >> >> >> embrace >> >> >> >> >>> a >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> "Macho" >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> image. This is requisite for combat. Yes, there >> are >> >> >> women >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >>> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> service >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is tough, >> >> rugged >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >>> most >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> of >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> time >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> not >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> be >> >> >> >> >>> condoned. >> >> >> >> >>> >> The >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> combat >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> units of the Army and Marines are all male and >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> all >> >> the >> >> >> >> males >> >> >> >> >>> talk >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> about >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> doing their girl friends as they charge the enemy >> >> with >> >> >> >> cigars >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> hanging >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> out >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> their mouths; not penises. This is the image >> that >> >> our >> >> >> >> >>> military >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> cultivates. 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