Markie Mark-

After the Republican Obstructionists take control of Congress in
January, I predict that very little will get passed. Their primary
un-American objective is to make The President of The United States
fail.  Watch and see.

On 12/23/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most, yes; and I read it all... as do MOST posters on this forum... except
> you. As long as gay equality (NOT rights) is tied to immigration, budget, or
> anything else that is slightly distasteful it will NOT pass.
> The day it is introduced as a sole and separate issue it will pass.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No, I have not read the entire bill.
>>
>> Are you aware that most legislation before Congress almost always has
>> unrelated amendments and attachments?
>>
>> On 12/23/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > Tommy,
>> >
>> > A simple question..... Have you ever read any of the proposed DOMA
>> > repeal
>> > legislation and all the "attachments" and "amendments" that have forever
>> > been attached to to it ???
>> >
>> > If and when....like DADT.... a simple single subject bill to make all
>> civil
>> > unions equal in every way is put forth it will pass.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Tommy,
>> >>
>> >> Your "list" proves that you never did understand what you are reading.
>> >> I
>> >> can be free to attack your "ideas" without that attack having anything
>> to
>> >> do
>> >> with you personally. You put yourself forward as "Tommy News" and we
>> >> expect
>> >> (yet never get) a semblance of neutrality and or objectivity from
>> anything
>> >> connected with "News"; thus the plays on your chosen moniker.
>> >>
>> >> As to the Marxist/Socialist claims... Obama made them himself in his
>> >> auto-biography. For you to try to dismiss this is absurd. Denial is not
>> a
>> >> river in Egypt.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Lil Keithie Kieth
>> >>>
>> >>> I am very sorry that you are such a homophobic Reich wingnut fascist.
>> >>>
>> >>> To repeat again,
>> >>>
>> >>> Don't you believe that when you called me "Asshole"  "Moonbat"
>> >>> "Marxist" "Socialist"
>> >>> "Young Tommy" "Lil Tom Tom" "Ignorant" etc. you were being hateful,
>> >>> smearing and hurting me,  and lying?
>> >>>
>> >>> I believe you are telling lies again.You have demonstrated again and
>> >>> again that you do NOT hold "beliefs of equality for all" as you
>> >>> falsely
>> >>> claim.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You oppose the repeal of DADT, which has ruined thousands of lives and
>> >>> careers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against legally
>> >>> married same sex couples who only want equal Federal marriage benefits
>> >>> such as social security and joint tax returns, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You oppose Civil Marriage Equality for same sex couples. Civil Unions
>> >>> and domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts with fewer
>> >>> benefits and rights.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You oppose UAFA, and favor tearing loving same sex families apart
>> >>> through deportation.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You appear to falsely believe that being gay is a choice and a
>> >>> lifestyle, which it is not.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You believe that all gays are flamboyant chaps wearing cross dressing
>> >>> exhibitionist sex fiends, which most are not. Most dress better and
>> >>> more conservatively than you do. Many are chaste and celebate.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You, Keith, by your own admissions, are a prejudiced misguided
>> >>> misinformed homophobic Reich wingnut bigot with a dirty mind. Yes, you
>> >>> are.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/23/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>> > LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > How, or why would you make such a slanderous statement as that?
>> >>> > Can
>> >>> you
>> >>> > point to something that would make you say such a hateful lie and a
>> >>> smear
>> >>> > against my person?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Either point to a post, with the quote, or make an apology.  One or
>> the
>> >>> > other,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > KeithInTampa
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Keith does not champion gays as equals.
>> >>> >> He sees them as second class citizens.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 12/22/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>> >> > Tommy,
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Where is the need to champion ANY group when you champion all as
>> >>> equals
>> >>> >> ??
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News <
>> [email protected]>
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> Keith-
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Although you flippantly state that "Yea,  I am an arrogant
>> >>> >> >> asshole",
>> >>> >> >> you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have demonstrated
>> >>> >> >> clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> I suggest that you make youself a New Year's resolution to
>> >>> >> >> become
>> >>> >> >> an
>> >>> >> >> ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay friends and
>> >>> group
>> >>> >> >> members, as other Republicans have done.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Merry Christmas.
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> > Hey Wayne!
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > How do ya think stereotypes get started?  Any truth to them?
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > Hey Vince!
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as, was
>> >>> condescending!
>> >>> >> >> > Yea,
>> >>> >> >>  I
>> >>> >> >> > am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty friendly asshole!
>> >>>  Nope,
>> >>> >> >> > not
>> >>> >> >> > pacifying anyone,  ya wanna hear the truth?  Come on over and
>> >>> >> >> > I
>> >>> will
>> >>> >> >> > shed
>> >>> >> >> > the light for ya!
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas!
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > KeithInDC
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney
>> >>> >> >> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> You know it isn't really worth the effort to get Keith to see
>> >>> >> >> >> the
>> >>> >> other
>> >>> >> >> >> side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than someone who
>> >>> claims
>> >>> >> >> they
>> >>> >> >> >> are not prejudice and then make the statements that he does.
>> It
>> >>> like
>> >>> >> >> >> saying
>> >>> >> >> >> I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when really they are
>> >>> >> >> >> just
>> >>> >> >> >> pacifying
>> >>> >> >> >> us.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> He is really saying these things based on his experience of
>> >>> >> >> >> years
>> >>> >> ago,
>> >>> >> >> and
>> >>> >> >> >> I suspect that was before DADT was even in existence.  He has
>> >>> >> >> >> opinion
>> >>> >> >> just
>> >>> >> >> >> like everyone else. And everyone has the right to his or hers
>> >>> >> >> >> own
>> >>> >> >> opinion.
>> >>> >> >> >> I
>> >>> >> >> >> just wish it wasn't aired in this group.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> I am very thankful for the straight friends I do have that
>> >>> >> >> >> are
>> >>> truly
>> >>> >> >> >> not
>> >>> >> >> >> prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had more of
>> >>> >> >> >> them
>> >>> >> >> >> in
>> >>> >> >> >> the
>> >>> >> >> >> world.
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry <
>> >>> [email protected]>
>> >>> >> >> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >>> oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me that you really
>> >>> can't
>> >>> >> see
>> >>> >> >> >>> the
>> >>> >> >> >>> forest for the trees?
>> >>> >> >> >>> heterosexuality represents 90% of the population. in fact if
>> i
>> >>> am
>> >>> >> not
>> >>> >> >> >>> carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored purse, no one
>> >>> ever
>> >>> >> >> >>> suspects
>> >>> >> >> >>> i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual even when he
>> >>> says
>> >>> >> >> >>> judas
>> >>> >> >> >>> priest is his favorite metal band! because most people are
>> >>> >> >> >>> straight,
>> >>> >> >> the
>> >>> >> >> >>> assumption both gays AND straights operate under is that
>> >>> >> >> >>> when
>> >>> you
>> >>> >> meet
>> >>> >> >> a
>> >>> >> >> >>> man
>> >>> >> >> >>> you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes the ladies
>> >>> >> >> >>> -
>> >>> you
>> >>> >> got
>> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >>> >> >> 9
>> >>> >> >> >>> in
>> >>> >> >> >>> 10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except when you ARE
>> >>> wrong.
>> >>> >> >> >>> stereotypes exist because in any group you can name there
>> >>> >> >> >>> are
>> >>> often
>> >>> >> >> >>> people
>> >>> >> >> >>> who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some jews ARE
>> >>> >> >> >>> cheap,
>> >>> >> some
>> >>> >> >> >>> white
>> >>> >> >> >>> people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO prefer flowers
>> to
>> >>> >> >> >>> football...
>> >>> >> >> >>> but within any stereotype there are plenty enough
>> >>> >> >> >>> dissonances
>> >>> >> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >> >>> reveal
>> >>> >> >> a
>> >>> >> >> >>> stereotype for what it is... a careless and casual painting
>> of
>> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >>> >> large
>> >>> >> >> >>> group
>> >>> >> >> >>> of people as being all the same, when indeed none of us are.
>> >>> >> >> >>> no one has to say they are straight because there are so
>> >>> >> >> >>> many
>> >>> >> >> >>> of
>> >>> >> >> >>> you
>> >>> >> >> that
>> >>> >> >> >>> you can scarcely imagine people who are not like you.
>> >>> >> >> >>> my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the military,
>> yet
>> >>> >> there's
>> >>> >> >> >>> still a certain amount of macho involved in the job! but
>> >>> >> >> >>> here
>> >>> >> >> >>> is
>> >>> >> >> >>> the
>> >>> >> >> >>> thing... in all but the most antiseptic atmospheres, someone
>> is
>> >>> >> gonna
>> >>> >> >> ask
>> >>> >> >> >>> you about your life outside the job. and there is nothing
>> that
>> >>> >> sounds
>> >>> >> >> >>> worse
>> >>> >> >> >>> than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a wife or even
>> just
>> >>> some
>> >>> >> >> girl
>> >>> >> >> >>> you
>> >>> >> >> >>> bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry i don't talk
>> >>> about
>> >>> >> >> >>> personal
>> >>> >> >> >>> stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly avoid the
>> >>> question.
>> >>> >> >> >>> when
>> >>> >> >> >>> there is no penalty for telling the truth you are much less
>> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >>> freak
>> >>> >> >> when
>> >>> >> >> >>> you
>> >>> >> >> >>> answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife or a
>> >>> girlfriend...
>> >>> >> >> >>> i'm
>> >>> >> >> >>> gay
>> >>> >> >> >>> and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even, "i'm not seeing
>> >>> anyone
>> >>> >> >> >>> 'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya catch my
>> >>> >> >> >>> drift."
>> >>> >> >> >>> i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my life (my
>> >>> >> >> >>> tastes
>> >>> >> >> >>> are
>> >>> >> >> >>> somewhat different from yours, observably, aren't they?) but
>> in
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> >> most
>> >>> >> >> >>> mundane aspects of life - the need for personal connection,
>> the
>> >>> >> >> >>> need
>> >>> >> >> >>> to
>> >>> >> >> >>> eat,
>> >>> >> >> >>> the need to have some sort of meaning in your work? it's the
>> >>> same
>> >>> >> for
>> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >>> >> >> >>> straight guy as a gay guy.
>> >>> >> >> >>> i really can't understand your need to cling to a fairly
>> >>> outdated
>> >>> >> >> concept
>> >>> >> >> >>> of what a gay man is when you are the moderator of a group
>> that
>> >>> >> gives
>> >>> >> >> you
>> >>> >> >> >>> every evidence of a gay men who are far from those
>> >>> >> >> >>> stereotypical
>> >>> >> >> >>> pictures.
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa
>> >>> >> >> >>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> Hello Mustang!  Good to see ya!
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive, that there
>> >>> would
>> >>> >> >> >>>> be
>> >>> >> >> >>>> at
>> >>> >> >> >>>> least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy (<Grin!!>
>> >>> asshole!!)
>> >>> >> >> >>>> who
>> >>> >> >> >>>> would
>> >>> >> >> >>>> call me on my last missive!  Touche'!
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>   It is in fact a hard concept that I was attempting to
>> frame,
>> >>> and
>> >>> >> >> >>>> you
>> >>> >> >> >>>> are correct....Sort of.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a "Macho" image,
>> and
>> >>> it
>> >>> >> is
>> >>> >> >> >>>> hard
>> >>> >> >> >>>> to not separate the Macho Man who is the ladies' man.  This
>> is
>> >>> in
>> >>> >> >> direct
>> >>> >> >> >>>> conflict with my statement that the military does not allow
>> >>> >> >> >>>> for
>> >>> >> those
>> >>> >> >> >>>> who
>> >>> >> >> >>>> wear their sexual identity on their sleeve.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> There are a number of men in the military who do in fact
>> play
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> >> >>>> "cassanova" role.  I will admit that to a degree, this is a
>> >>> double
>> >>> >> >> >>>> standard
>> >>> >> >> >>>> and in conflict with my premise.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> Having said that, in my 53 years, I have yet to meet a
>> >>> >> Heterosexual,
>> >>> >> >> who
>> >>> >> >> >>>> identifies himself as a, "Heterosexual".  That his whole
>> life
>> >>> >> >> >>>> revolves
>> >>> >> >> >>>> around being, "Heterosexual".   His politics;  his social
>> >>> >> >> >>>> life;
>> >>> >>  his
>> >>> >> >> >>>> mannerisms;  his diet;  his wardrobe; his decor; his
>> passions,
>> >>> >> likes,
>> >>> >> >> >>>> dislikes, hatreds, loves, and yes, sexual appetite, are all
>> >>> >> >> >>>> defined
>> >>> >> >> >>>> by
>> >>> >> >> >>>> his
>> >>> >> >> >>>> "Straightness".
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> Please point this/these individual(s) out to me.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> Therein lies the distinction, and no, nothing about the
>> repeal
>> >>> of
>> >>> >> >> >>>> DADT
>> >>> >> >> >>>> will change the rejection by the United States Military on
>> >>> >> >> >>>> this
>> >>> >> >> >>>> one
>> >>> >> >> >>>> major
>> >>> >> >> >>>> issue, of Gay men or women who choose to defend our Nation.
>> >>>  Just
>> >>> >> >> >>>> like
>> >>> >> >> >>>> their
>> >>> >> >> >>>> straight counterparts, they  cannot and will not be able to
>> >>> >> broadcast
>> >>> >> >> >>>> their
>> >>> >> >> >>>> sexual proclivities, as is done so much in the Gay
>> community,
>> >>> and
>> >>> >> >> maybe
>> >>> >> >> >>>> in
>> >>> >> >> >>>> some Heterosexual social circles;  (Like the
>> >>> >> >> >>>> Nudist/Swapping
>> >>> >> crews).
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> KeithInDC
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Mustang <
>> >>> [email protected]
>> >>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>  Keith,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> While I agree with many, if not most, things you say we
>> >>> disagree
>> >>> >> on
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> a
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> couple.  This being one of them.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> "The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> include
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their
>> sexuality
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> openly,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> or to
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> "
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Heterosexuals already do wear their sexuality preference
>> >>> openly.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Are you saying that everyone will suddenly be forbidden
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> any
>> >>> >> >> opportunity
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> to display or even have pictures of their family and
>> friends?
>> >>>  No
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> one
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> be allowed to admit they write, call, or discuss any
>> >>> >> communications
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> with
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> their wives, husbands, girlfriends or boyfriends?  No one
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >>> be
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> allowed to
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> talk about how things are going at home or plans after
>> >>> discharge?
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> While on
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> leave, no one can invite a male or female military friend
>> to
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> spend
>> >>> >> >> the
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Holidays with a spouse, or to openly have two Dads or two
>> >>> Moms?
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> The Israeli military has not gone to hell in a hand
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> basket.
>> >>>  They
>> >>> >> >> have
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> no problem with both genders or gay people being drafted
>> and
>> >>> then
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> working
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> cohesively.  It's the same as acceptance of blacks and
>> women
>> >>> was
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> decades
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> ago.  Much ado about nothing.  I am certain our military
>> will
>> >>> be
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> able
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> to
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> keep their minds focused on the tasks assigned.  Anyone
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> who
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> is
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> qualified
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> should have the right to apply to defend our nation.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Absolute
>> >>> >> 100%
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuality should not be a requirement.  Nothing will
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> change.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Mustang
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Bigotry disguised as morality is still bigotry just as an
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> outhouse
>> >>> >> >> with
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> marble columns is still an outhouse. - D.A. Ridgely
>> (whomever
>> >>> he
>> >>> >> is)
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>  ------------------------------
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> *From:* Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 9:18:24 AM
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Historical Pictorial] Victory! Senate
>> Repeals
>> >>> >> ‘Don’t
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 Republican No Votes and John
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> McCain's
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Fillibuster Attempt
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> No question, I see this issue from a different perspective
>> >>> than I
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> believe most do here in HP.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that significant,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >>> >> >> although
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> I agree with Rob and his assessment,   I also think that
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> there
>> >>> is
>> >>> >> a
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> major
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone else in the
>> >>> group
>> >>> >> has
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> touched
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> upon.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> The military does not allow for ANYONE, and this will
>> include
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear their
>> sexuality
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> openly,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> or to
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes publicly.   In
>> other
>> >>> >> words,
>> >>> >> >> NO
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> ONE
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> in the military can be or will be identified by their
>> sexual
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> proclivities or
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> sexual identification, which is a common factor in the Gay
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> community.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> This
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> is where so many in the Gay community are mistaken.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> The military will boot out a service member who is an
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> admitted
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> adulterer. Service members who are into any type of
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> sado-masochistic activities and make them public will be
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> summarily
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> discharged.  Those service members who are into "swinging"
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >>> >> have
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> multiple
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> sexual partners, and who make that aspect of their lives
>> >>> public,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> be
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> shown the door and discharged.     All branches of the
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> service
>> >>> >> will
>> >>> >> >> not
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> condone any member who bases his or her lifestyle upon
>> their
>> >>> >> sexual
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> identiy.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Nothng has changed.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Just as important, the military does in fact have and
>> embrace
>> >>> a
>> >>> >> >> "Macho"
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> image.  This is requisite for combat. Yes, there are women
>> in
>> >>> the
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> service
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is tough, rugged and
>> >>> most
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> of
>> >>> >> >> the
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> time
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will not be
>> >>> condoned.
>> >>> >> The
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> combat
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> units of the Army and Marines are all male and all the
>> males
>> >>> talk
>> >>> >> >> about
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> doing their girl friends as they charge the enemy with
>> cigars
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> hanging
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> out
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> their mouths; not penises.   This is the image that our
>> >>> military
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> cultivates.  It is good for morale, it is good for unit
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> cohesiveness,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> most importantly, it is but one component of what makes
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> our
>> >>> >> military
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> the
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> mightiest in the world.   Again, this image is not going
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> to
>> >>> >> change.
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> --
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical
>> >>> >> Pictorial,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on
>> >>> >> historical
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> media,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our
>> >>> chronicled
>> >>> >> >> past!
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at:
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>   --
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical
>> >>> >> Pictorial,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on
>> >>> >> historical
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> media,
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well as our
>> >>> chronicled
>> >>> >> >> past!
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group at:
>> >>> >> >> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> --
>> >>> >> >> >>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical
>> >>> >> >> >>>> Pictorial,
>> >>> >> >> >>>> which
>> >>> >> >> >>>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on
>> historical
>> >>> >> media,
>> >>> >> >> >>>> and
>> >>> >> >> >>>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our
>> >>> >> >> >>>> chronicled
>> >>> past!
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>> For options and help, please visit the group at:
>> >>> >> >> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>> --
>> >>> >> >> >>> - wayne.
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>> goto> http://waynes-nude-musicians.blogspot.com/
>> >>> >> >> >>>  http://blueguitar.tumblr.com/
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>>  --
>> >>> >> >> >>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical
>> >>> Pictorial,
>> >>> >> >> which
>> >>> >> >> >>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on
>> historical
>> >>> >> media,
>> >>> >> >> and
>> >>> >> >> >>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled
>> >>> past!
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>> For options and help, please visit the group at:
>> >>> >> >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> --
>> >>> >> >> >> Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical
>> >>> Pictorial,
>> >>> >> >> which
>> >>> >> >> >> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on
>> >>> >> >> >> historical
>> >>> >> >> >> media,
>> >>> >> >> and
>> >>> >> >> >> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled
>> >>> past!
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >> For options and help, please visit the group at:
>> >>> >> >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >>> >> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > --
>> >>> >> >> > Thanks for participating in the Google Group, Historical
>> >>> Pictorial,
>> >>> >> >> > which
>> >>> >> >> is
>> >>> >> >> > the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on historical
>> >>> >> >> > media,
>> >>> >> >> > and
>> >>> >> >> > discussions of contemporary issues as well as our chronicled
>> >>> >> >> > past!
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> > For options and help, please visit the group at:
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>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >>
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>> >>> >> >> --
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>> >>> >> >> Have a great day,
>> >>> >> >> Tommy
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> --
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>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >
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>> >>> >> >
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>> >>> >> >
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>> >>> >>
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>> >>> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >>> >> Have a great day,
>> >>> >> Tommy
>> >>> >>
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>> >>> >> For options & help see
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>> >>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >>> Have a great day,
>> >>> Tommy
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> Mark M. Kahle H.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mark M. Kahle H.
>> >
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>> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
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>>
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>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy
>>
>> --
>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
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>>
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>
>
>
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>
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>
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