Well this seems to be just about as heated as up on the hill. Folks I don't believe that people voted for replublicans or democratics for their stand on anything. Can you honestly say that you understand the health care bill? Be honest! One thing I have never had a problem admitting is what I don't know. But I do know this (and I'm speaking about all parties or progressives (I don't even know when they came out of the cabbage patch), independents (who can't be) and the people that just try to find the truth on the the candidates. Very few are happy with our government; I haven't met a one but I have heard there were.
Most that I know of voted for change just like they did hoped for with Obama, and they didn't get it. So what are most people going to do when they try to fix something (even like a car) and it doesn't work. They choose another path expecting that change. So IMHO we have voted another stalemate. Now that we have passed this; they have can start the election for 2012. Tommy says: say hello to partisan gridlock, obstruction, investigations, the demonization of Unions, legislation to harm the poor and working class, efforts to make the President fail, and un-American bad behavior for the next two years! *<<< Who in this forum refutes that this will go on?* The Annointed One asks Tommy: Please tell me why you find prolonged debate and investigations wrong? *<<< Does anyone really want gov. to lengthen and protract anything? * ** Tommy replies: I do find unwarranted politically motivated fillibusters, abuse of the 60 vote rule, backroom "deals", and legislative obstruction wrong, however. *<<< Does anyone refute that both sides do this and it will stop today forever including you, Mark?* ** Tommy replies: Our health insurance system is one of the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system. *<<< Does anyone refute that a system should be a regulary interacting or interdependent group forming a unified whole * ** and Tommy continues: It's interesting that in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought up that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. *<<< here's where I have something to say because I'm right at the gates of the R&D Mecca of the Masters of War - we were laughed at about a year ago when one of the firms purposed a robot with a rifle attached to it. And while we pay for the R&D and the prototypes to be built (which is usually more than producing many of the new and improved ways to kill) the companies don't just sell to us. We are getting killed by our own inventions. * ** *Then Johnathen replies: What was good for the goose is definitely good for the gander as you will see with this Congress. <<<This one needs clarification because this means that: * *What is good for a man is equally good for a woman; or, what a man can have or do, so can a woman have or do. I assume that you are trying to say that the good things that one poltical party enjoys, so should the other. Or worse, that if you feel you have been wronged then others who have opposed your intentions will meet with the same fate irregardless of if it is good or bad for our country. And lastly Dick replies: The thing is that part of the reason we are so rich is that our citizens have the opportunity to plan and take care of themselves in the way that they choose. We have the right to succeed beyond the wildest expectations of the rest of the world and we also have the right to fail and then try again. That is what freedom is all about. What you want is Uncle Sugar to make sure no big bad wolf calls you names or harms you in any way - all you have to do is give up your dreams. <<< I just am lost on this because Americans can't plan and take care of themselves as they choose the restrictions on American citizens - Well I could write all night. Countries I can't go to, words I can't type on certain websites, places I must conform to to live, taxes I don't want to pay. And no we do not have the right to succeed beyond the wildest expectation of the rest of world. <<<So this means I can dominate it and exploit it. Freedom is the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action <<<so I'm free to rob a bank. And Uncle Sugar is supposedly fighting several wars against the big bad wolf. * ** *I would say that the posts on this page represent precisely why we collectively can't make a decision. As we watch the next 2 years, and the next 2 years, and the next 2 years, ponder what was said here. And they say that for anything to change it must be from the grassroots up. This just disappoints me.* *Peace (unless you have stock in War)* *TS* -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
