Prosecute war criminals Bush, Cheney, Rove and Rumsfeld! Peace!
On 1/5/11, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Dena, > > The difference with me is this.... My position does not change. I don't care > who is "in power". > > As far as the 2012 election cycle having started... it has. Washington is > incapable of change... it will have to come, in one form or another, from > the electorate. > > I am quite pleased to be writing this from a country that has two > ex-Presidents in jail. Politicians tend to behave themselves when they are > no longer above the law. > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Dena Liles <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well this seems to be just about as heated as up on the hill. Folks I >> don't >> believe that people voted for replublicans or democratics for their stand >> on >> anything. Can you honestly say that you understand the health care bill? >> Be >> honest! One thing I have never had a problem admitting is what I don't >> know. >> But I do know this (and I'm speaking about all parties or progressives (I >> don't even know when they came out of the cabbage patch), independents >> (who >> can't be) and the people that just try to find the truth on the the >> candidates. Very few are happy with our government; I haven't met a one >> but >> I have heard there were. >> >> Most that I know of voted for change just like they did hoped for with >> Obama, and they didn't get it. So what are most people going to do when >> they >> try to fix something (even like a car) and it doesn't work. They choose >> another path expecting that change. So IMHO we have voted another >> stalemate. >> Now that we have passed this; they have can start the election for 2012. >> Tommy says: say hello to partisan gridlock, obstruction, investigations, >> the demonization of Unions, legislation to harm the poor and working >> class, >> efforts to make the President fail, and un-American bad behavior for the >> next two years! *<<< Who in this forum refutes that this will go on?* >> >> The Annointed One asks Tommy: Please tell me why you find prolonged debate >> and investigations wrong? *<<< Does anyone really want gov. >> to lengthen and protract anything? * >> ** >> Tommy replies: I do find unwarranted politically motivated fillibusters, >> abuse of the 60 vote rule, backroom "deals", and legislative obstruction >> wrong, however. *<<< Does anyone refute that both sides do this and it >> will stop today forever including you, Mark?* >> ** >> Tommy replies: Our health insurance system is one of the most cumbersome >> in >> the world, since it's really not a system. *<<< Does anyone refute that a >> system should be a regulary interacting or interdependent group forming a >> unified whole * >> ** >> and Tommy continues: It's interesting that in all this talk about saving >> money, it's never once been brought up that perhaps we should cut back in >> the war mongering department. *<<< here's where I have something to say >> because I'm right at the gates of the R&D Mecca of the Masters of War - we >> were laughed at about a year ago when one of the firms purposed a robot >> with >> a rifle attached to it. And while we pay for the R&D and the prototypes to >> be built (which is usually more than producing many of the new and >> improved >> ways to kill) the companies don't just sell to us. We are getting killed >> by >> our own inventions. * >> ** >> *Then Johnathen replies: What was good for the goose is definitely good >> for the gander as you will see with this Congress. <<<This one needs >> clarification because this means that: * *What is good for a man is >> equally good for a woman; or, what a man can have or do, so can a woman >> have >> or do. I assume that you are trying to say that the good things that one >> poltical party enjoys, so should the other. Or worse, that if you feel you >> have been wronged then others who have opposed your intentions will meet >> with the same fate irregardless of if it is good or bad for our country. >> >> And lastly Dick replies: The thing is that part of the reason we are so >> rich is that our citizens have the opportunity to plan and take care of >> themselves in the way that they choose. We have the right to succeed >> beyond >> the wildest expectations of the rest of the world and we also have the >> right >> to fail and then try again. That is what freedom is all about. What you >> want is Uncle Sugar to make sure no big bad wolf calls you names or harms >> you in any way - all you have to do is give up your dreams. <<< I just am >> lost on this because Americans can't plan and take care of themselves >> as they choose the restrictions on American citizens - Well I could write >> all night. Countries I can't go to, words I can't type on certain >> websites, >> places I must conform to to live, taxes I don't want to pay. And no we do >> not have the right to succeed beyond the wildest expectation of the rest >> of >> world. <<<So this means I can dominate it and exploit it. Freedom is the >> absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action <<<so >> I'm >> free to rob a bank. And Uncle Sugar is supposedly fighting several wars >> against the big bad wolf. * >> ** >> *I would say that the posts on this page represent precisely why we >> collectively can't make a decision. As we watch the next 2 years, and the >> next 2 years, and the next 2 years, ponder what was said here. And they >> say >> that for anything to change it must be from the grassroots up. This just >> disappoints me.* >> *Peace (unless you have stock in War)* >> *TS* >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > > > -- > Mark M. Kahle H. > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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