Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, I don't live in nor do I benefit in any way from, the USA. But since I am a citizen I must now switch my healthcare program and buy the US policy or face penalties. I have full health/hospital insurance here in Costa Rica. Please explain why I need insurance in a country where I do not live, visit or even cross over on a plane. Then explain why I must pay for yours (or any one elses') as well.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:00 PM, dick thompson <[email protected]>wrote: > No, it is not a lie. Companies must offer plans that contain what the feds > say must be there in order to be acceptable. The feds define what must be > in them as a minimum and one of the big "selling points" of the legislation > is that the plan must cover all cases in order for the feds to be able to > cover all the things they promise. That means those who don't need certain > procedures, such as the one I mentioned in my case where I have absolutely > no need for pregnancy care or neo-natal care at my age and sex, still have > to have that in the plan I get or it will bet be accepted. The insurers > cannot sell plans that have not been approved. That is part of the reason > they are trying to stop the HSA accounts that a lot of people have where > they pay for their own routine care and use the insurance purchased only for > catastrophic care. > > > On 01/05/2011 09:26 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> That is a plain lie. >> That is another plain lie. >> That is yet another plain lie. >> The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet another >> lie. >> >> >> >> On 1/5/11, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to >>> offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the >>> individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a plan >>> that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, single >>> and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it stands now >>> I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that allows >>> me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan for >>> catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all. >>> That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what the >>> Republicans are talking about. >>> >>> On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>> >>>> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and >>>> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer and >>>> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care. >>>> >>>> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, your >>>> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your health >>>> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the exact >>>> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the >>>> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other provisions >>>> of the bill constantly. >>>> >>>> Fight the lies and false smear! >>>> >>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free enterprise >>>>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose his or >>>>> her >>>>> own best policy. >>>>> >>>>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy of the >>>>> world >>>>> as far as health care was concerned. >>>>> >>>>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my healthy >>>>> care... I >>>>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless >>>>> bureaucrats >>>>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine country >>>>> and >>>>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that >>>>> literally >>>>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private systems to >>>>> serve >>>>> the working man. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Wrong. You are not everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of his >>>>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and they >>>>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents will do >>>>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need because >>>>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it. The >>>>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like to >>>>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come forward with >>>>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan since it >>>>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking down >>>>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is one of >>>>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system by >>>>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance >>>>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world. While >>>>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, there's >>>>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting that >>>>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought up >>>>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. We >>>>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our >>>>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2, Korea, >>>>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive side. >>>>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we are >>>>>> not always in the right. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option they >>>>>>> have. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Free >>>>>> >>>>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Markie Mark Mark- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease and your >>>>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you cannot buy >>>>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing condition"? >>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>> then, Markie Mark? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of our >>>>>>>>> health >>>>>>>>> care.@@@@ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want to be >>>>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my personal >>>>>>>>> needs >>>>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my tank. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tommy -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans are >>>>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health reform. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put insurance >>>>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to the >>>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based on >>>>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would get >>>>>>>>>> sick, >>>>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed more. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When >>>>>> >>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their mortgage and >>>>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they landed in >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other reforms >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or >>>>>>>>>> ideological >>>>>>>>>> agenda. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said we >>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and abuse, >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed >>>>>>>>>> because, >>>>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would wait >>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> longer for health reform. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to stand >>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>> for them again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of organizers >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Together, >>>>>> >>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives across the >>>>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress focused >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>>>>> future: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking -- >>>>>>>>>> they're >>>>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the ditch >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from a >>>>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of whom >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The Affordable Care >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Act >>>>>> >>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the road to >>>>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with them >>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not rewritten by >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works to >>>>>>>>>> grow >>>>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and keep >>>>>>>>>> moving >>>>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work hard >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart >>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>> Tommy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Tommy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>> For options& help see >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> For options& help see >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Tommy >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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