That is a plain lie. That is another plain lie. That is yet another plain lie. The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet another lie.
On 1/5/11, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to > offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the > individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a plan > that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, single > and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it stands now > I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that allows > me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan for > catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all. > That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what the > Republicans are talking about. > > On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and >> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer and >> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care. >> >> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, your >> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your health >> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the exact >> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the >> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other provisions >> of the bill constantly. >> >> Fight the lies and false smear! >> >> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free enterprise >>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose his or >>> her >>> own best policy. >>> >>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy of the >>> world >>> as far as health care was concerned. >>> >>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my healthy >>> care... I >>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless bureaucrats >>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine country and >>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that >>> literally >>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private systems to >>> serve >>> the working man. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Wrong. You are not everyone. >>>> >>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of his >>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and they >>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents will do >>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need because >>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it. The >>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like to >>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come forward with >>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan since it >>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking down >>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is one of >>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system by >>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance >>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world. While >>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, there's >>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting that >>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought up >>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. We >>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our >>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2, Korea, >>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive side. >>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we are >>>> not always in the right. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option they have. >>>> Free >>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Markie Mark Mark- >>>>>> >>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease and your >>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you cannot buy >>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing condition"? What >>>>>> then, Markie Mark? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of our >>>>>>> health >>>>>>> care.@@@@ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want to be >>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my personal >>>>>>> needs >>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my tank. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tommy -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans are >>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health reform. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put insurance >>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to the days >>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based on >>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would get sick, >>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed more. >>>> When >>>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their mortgage and >>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they landed in >>>> the >>>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other reforms to >>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or ideological >>>>>>>> agenda. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said we were >>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and abuse, for >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed >>>>>>>> because, >>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would wait no >>>>>>>> longer for health reform. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to stand >>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>> for them again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of organizers and >>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team. >>>> Together, >>>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives across the >>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress focused on >>>> the >>>>>>>> future: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking -- they're >>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the ditch >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from a >>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of whom are >>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The Affordable Care >>>> Act >>>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the road to >>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with them now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not rewritten by the >>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works to grow >>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and keep >>>>>>>> moving >>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work hard to >>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart >>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>> Organizing for America >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Tommy >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Tommy >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Tommy >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
