"Obamacare" is an offensive and misleading negative term. Government plans rarely come in on or under budget. W. Bush caused the gigantic deficit and squandered the Clinton surplus. Yes, he did.
On 1/5/11, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Tommy, > > Is it not a health care plan championed by Obama ?? On ewould think he would > be PROUDER than a peacock to have his name so closely associated. > > Please list any and all Government plans that have come in on or under > budget and accomplished at least 80% of their goals. > > I am waiting. > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That is a plain lie. >> That is another plain lie. >> That is yet another plain lie. >> The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet another >> lie. >> >> >> >> On 1/5/11, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to >> > offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the >> > individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a plan >> > that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, single >> > and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it stands now >> > I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that allows >> > me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan for >> > catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all. >> > That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what the >> > Republicans are talking about. >> > >> > On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> >> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and >> >> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer and >> >> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care. >> >> >> >> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, your >> >> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your health >> >> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the exact >> >> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the >> >> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other provisions >> >> of the bill constantly. >> >> >> >> Fight the lies and false smear! >> >> >> >> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free >> >>> enterprise >> >>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose his >> >>> or >> >>> her >> >>> own best policy. >> >>> >> >>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy of the >> >>> world >> >>> as far as health care was concerned. >> >>> >> >>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my healthy >> >>> care... I >> >>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless >> bureaucrats >> >>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine country >> and >> >>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that >> >>> literally >> >>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private systems to >> >>> serve >> >>> the working man. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Wrong. You are not everyone. >> >>>> >> >>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of his >> >>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and they >> >>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents will do >> >>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need because >> >>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it. The >> >>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like to >> >>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come forward >> >>>> with >> >>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan since it >> >>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking down >> >>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is one of >> >>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system by >> >>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance >> >>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world. >> >>>> While >> >>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, there's >> >>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting that >> >>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought up >> >>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. We >> >>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our >> >>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2, Korea, >> >>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive side. >> >>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we are >> >>>> not always in the right. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option they >> have. >> >>>> Free >> >>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Markie Mark Mark- >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease and >> >>>>>> your >> >>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you cannot >> >>>>>> buy >> >>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing condition"? >> What >> >>>>>> then, Markie Mark? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of our >> >>>>>>> health >> >>>>>>> care.@@@@ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want to >> >>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my personal >> >>>>>>> needs >> >>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my tank. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Tommy -- >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans are >> >>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health reform. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put insurance >> >>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to the >> days >> >>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based on >> >>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would get >> sick, >> >>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed more. >> >>>> When >> >>>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their mortgage >> and >> >>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they landed >> >>>>>>>> in >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other reforms >> to >> >>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or >> ideological >> >>>>>>>> agenda. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said we >> were >> >>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and abuse, >> for >> >>>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed >> >>>>>>>> because, >> >>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would wait >> no >> >>>>>>>> longer for health reform. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to >> >>>>>>>> stand >> >>>>>>>> up >> >>>>>>>> for them again. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of organizers >> and >> >>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team. >> >>>> Together, >> >>>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives across the >> >>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress focused >> on >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>> future: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking -- >> they're >> >>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the ditch >> >>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from a >> >>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of whom >> are >> >>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The Affordable >> >>>>>>>> Care >> >>>> Act >> >>>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the road >> >>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with them >> now. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not rewritten by >> the >> >>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works to >> grow >> >>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and keep >> >>>>>>>> moving >> >>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work hard >> to >> >>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mitch >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart >> >>>>>>>> Director >> >>>>>>>> Organizing for America >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >> >>>>>>>> Tommy >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >>>>>>> For options& help see >> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >>>>>> Have a great day, >> >>>>>> Tommy >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >>>>>> For options& help see >> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >>>>> >> >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> >>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >>>> Have a great day, >> >>>> Tommy >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >>>> >> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> >>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Mark M. Kahle H. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >>> >> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> > >> > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> -- >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> Have a great day, >> Tommy >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > > > -- > Mark M. 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