Tom, There is not a woman in the United States who has been turned down for pre-natal care, in the last fifty or sixty years.
Once again, you are not credible when you come up with these militant far left extremist prevaricate statements. It is hard for me to believe that you even would have the audacity to write something that stupid! On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, > > I don't live in nor do I benefit in any way from, the USA. But since I am a > citizen I must now switch my healthcare program and buy the US policy or > face penalties. I have full health/hospital insurance here in Costa Rica. > Please explain why I need insurance in a country where I do not live, visit > or even cross over on a plane. Then explain why I must pay for yours (or any > one elses') as well. > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:00 PM, dick thompson <[email protected]>wrote: > >> No, it is not a lie. Companies must offer plans that contain what the >> feds say must be there in order to be acceptable. The feds define what >> must be in them as a minimum and one of the big "selling points" of the >> legislation is that the plan must cover all cases in order for the feds to >> be able to cover all the things they promise. That means those who don't >> need certain procedures, such as the one I mentioned in my case where I have >> absolutely no need for pregnancy care or neo-natal care at my age and sex, >> still have to have that in the plan I get or it will bet be accepted. The >> insurers cannot sell plans that have not been approved. That is part of the >> reason they are trying to stop the HSA accounts that a lot of people have >> where they pay for their own routine care and use the insurance purchased >> only for catastrophic care. >> >> >> On 01/05/2011 09:26 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> >>> That is a plain lie. >>> That is another plain lie. >>> That is yet another plain lie. >>> The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet another >>> lie. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/5/11, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to >>>> offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the >>>> individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a plan >>>> that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, single >>>> and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it stands now >>>> I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that allows >>>> me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan for >>>> catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all. >>>> That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what the >>>> Republicans are talking about. >>>> >>>> On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>>> >>>>> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and >>>>> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer and >>>>> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care. >>>>> >>>>> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, your >>>>> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your health >>>>> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the exact >>>>> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the >>>>> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other provisions >>>>> of the bill constantly. >>>>> >>>>> Fight the lies and false smear! >>>>> >>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free >>>>>> enterprise >>>>>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose his >>>>>> or >>>>>> her >>>>>> own best policy. >>>>>> >>>>>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy of the >>>>>> world >>>>>> as far as health care was concerned. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my healthy >>>>>> care... I >>>>>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless >>>>>> bureaucrats >>>>>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine country >>>>>> and >>>>>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that >>>>>> literally >>>>>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private systems to >>>>>> serve >>>>>> the working man. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Wrong. You are not everyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of his >>>>>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and they >>>>>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents will do >>>>>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need because >>>>>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it. The >>>>>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like to >>>>>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come forward >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan since it >>>>>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking down >>>>>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is one of >>>>>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system by >>>>>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance >>>>>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world. >>>>>>> While >>>>>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, there's >>>>>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting that >>>>>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought up >>>>>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. We >>>>>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our >>>>>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2, Korea, >>>>>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive side. >>>>>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we are >>>>>>> not always in the right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option they >>>>>>>> have. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Free >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Markie Mark Mark- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease and >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you cannot >>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing condition"? >>>>>>>>> What >>>>>>>>> then, Markie Mark? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of our >>>>>>>>>> health >>>>>>>>>> care.@@@@ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want to >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my personal >>>>>>>>>> needs >>>>>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my tank. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tommy -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans are >>>>>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health reform. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put insurance >>>>>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to the >>>>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based on >>>>>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would get >>>>>>>>>>> sick, >>>>>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed more. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their mortgage >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they landed >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other reforms >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or >>>>>>>>>>> ideological >>>>>>>>>>> agenda. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said we >>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and abuse, >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed >>>>>>>>>>> because, >>>>>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would wait >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> longer for health reform. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to >>>>>>>>>>> stand >>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>> for them again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of organizers >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Together, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives across the >>>>>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress focused >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> future: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking -- >>>>>>>>>>> they're >>>>>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the ditch >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from a >>>>>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of whom >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The Affordable >>>>>>>>>>> Care >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Act >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the road to >>>>>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with them >>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not rewritten by >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works to >>>>>>>>>>> grow >>>>>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and keep >>>>>>>>>>> moving >>>>>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work hard >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart >>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>> Tommy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>>>>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>> Tommy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>>>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Mark M. 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