Tommy, Is it not a health care plan championed by Obama ?? On ewould think he would be PROUDER than a peacock to have his name so closely associated.
Please list any and all Government plans that have come in on or under budget and accomplished at least 80% of their goals. I am waiting. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > That is a plain lie. > That is another plain lie. > That is yet another plain lie. > The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet another > lie. > > > > On 1/5/11, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to > > offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the > > individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a plan > > that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, single > > and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it stands now > > I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that allows > > me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan for > > catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all. > > That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what the > > Republicans are talking about. > > > > On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and > >> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer and > >> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care. > >> > >> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, your > >> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your health > >> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the exact > >> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the > >> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other provisions > >> of the bill constantly. > >> > >> Fight the lies and false smear! > >> > >> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free enterprise > >>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose his or > >>> her > >>> own best policy. > >>> > >>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy of the > >>> world > >>> as far as health care was concerned. > >>> > >>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my healthy > >>> care... I > >>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless > bureaucrats > >>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine country > and > >>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that > >>> literally > >>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private systems to > >>> serve > >>> the working man. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Wrong. You are not everyone. > >>>> > >>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of his > >>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and they > >>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents will do > >>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need because > >>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it. The > >>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like to > >>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come forward with > >>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan since it > >>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking down > >>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is one of > >>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system by > >>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance > >>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world. While > >>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, there's > >>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting that > >>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought up > >>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. We > >>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our > >>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2, Korea, > >>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive side. > >>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we are > >>>> not always in the right. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option they > have. > >>>> Free > >>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Markie Mark Mark- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease and your > >>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you cannot buy > >>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing condition"? > What > >>>>>> then, Markie Mark? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of our > >>>>>>> health > >>>>>>> care.@@@@ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want to be > >>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my personal > >>>>>>> needs > >>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my tank. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Tommy -- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans are > >>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health reform. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put insurance > >>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to the > days > >>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based on > >>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would get > sick, > >>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed more. > >>>> When > >>>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their mortgage > and > >>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they landed in > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other reforms > to > >>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or > ideological > >>>>>>>> agenda. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said we > were > >>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and abuse, > for > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed > >>>>>>>> because, > >>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would wait > no > >>>>>>>> longer for health reform. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to stand > >>>>>>>> up > >>>>>>>> for them again. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of organizers > and > >>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team. > >>>> Together, > >>>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives across the > >>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress focused > on > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> future: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking -- > they're > >>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the ditch > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from a > >>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of whom > are > >>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The Affordable Care > >>>> Act > >>>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the road to > >>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with them > now. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not rewritten by > the > >>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works to > grow > >>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and keep > >>>>>>>> moving > >>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work hard > to > >>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mitch > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart > >>>>>>>> Director > >>>>>>>> Organizing for America > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >>>>>>>> Have a great day, > >>>>>>>> Tommy > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>>>> For options& help see > http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >>>>>> Have a great day, > >>>>>> Tommy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>>> For options& help see > http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>> > >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >>>> Have a great day, > >>>> Tommy > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>> > >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Mark M. Kahle H. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>> > >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > > > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > > -- > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > Have a great day, > Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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