Of course you woud refute this. I would expect nothing else from you, Dickie Dick.
On 1/5/11, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > I would refute this. Partisan gridlock, investigations, obstruction of > bad legislation by the administration, that is what people voted for > this year. The rest of what you are claiming is only in the mind of > partisans like Tommy. > > Orolonged debate and investigations I would appreciate as then maybe the > fools in Congress would at least read the legislation they are voting > for and not have to come back and say I didn't see that in the bill or I > would have fixed it. The fools never read the bill which is why they > didn't know stuff like that 1099 brouhaha that is going to devastate the > IRS and the smaller companies who use a lot of different suppliers or > the individual operators who use companies for transportation or > deliveries and therefore have to prepare 1099's with proper tax ID's for > maybe even hundreds of companies and then submit those 1099's to the IRS > which is already buried with the current forms. The IRS meanwhile has > been trying to install updated systems for years and still hasn't been > able to get them to work properly and now the idiots in Congress stick > them with a lot more forms. Add to that the idea that the IRS will be > the group that enforces the requirement for everyone to buy insurance. > Think how much the IRS messes up now and add to that these two > additional duties and then tell my you don't want lengthy discussion on > the advisability of doing this - and that is just for starters. > > As to the backroom deals, when did the Republicans ever do this. The > Dems did it this year with locking out the Republicans from the writing > of the HCR bill - and then blamed the Republicans for obstruction. > Under the circumstances obstruction is least of what I would expect!! > > Of course Tommy wants to cut that. Clinton spent the peace dividend in > the 1990's and the result was that forces to defend the country had to > be built back up again which cost more. Actually spending on the "war > mongering" as Tommy boy calls it is one of the matters that is the > province of the feds. That is one of their major duties and Tommy wants > to cut it. The Republicans have tried to cut where they can at times > but even then the Dems get all upset when the cuts hit an area where the > Dems want to buy more votes. Check out how strongly Kennedy opposed > base closings over the years for example. He did not even want to > discuss closing bases in Massachusetts even though there was no further > use for those bases. > > > Your complaint about Jonathan is really reaching. You know already what > he was saying and you are just trying to muddy the waters there. > > > And your complaint about what I wrote makes no sense at all. I was > saying that the feds are trying to tell us what we can say or what we > can do or their latest what light bulbs we can use or what foods we are > allowed to put in the lunches for the kids at school. Companies cannot > hire the best people any more. They must hire to some proportional > breakdown of the population or the feds sue them. I ran the > personnel/benefits programs for several companies I consulted for and > the feds came in and told them they had not hired enough people from a > minority. The problem was that the minority would not come to the > company because of the location and problems they had had with the > residents of that location so of course the company could not hire > enough of the minority. I had to produce 4000 pages of reports, 6 > copies each, every month to prove that we were attempting to hire from > that minority and that we were not favoring one segment of the workforce > in benefits, etc. Nobody ever seemed to look at the reports but I > still had to spend a weekend every month producing the reports or the > feds would have sued the company. Yes, freedom is the absence of the > government interfering in the people implementing their ideas or taxing > them or stupid rules that keep inventors from implementing good ideas. > It is also forcing things that are totally unnecessary on local > governments just because they can. Small town libraries in areas where > there is a struggle to survive and the feds come in and say you have to > have a special facility even though there is no need for that facility > at all. You are being stupid with your freedom to rob a bank. There > again the stopping of the criminals is a duty of the government but you > knew that - just trying to make a stupid deal of it. And yes Uncle > Sugar fighting wars against the big bad wolf because it is better to > fight them there rather than here. But you knew that as well. > > > Actually the reason we collectively cannot make a decision is because of > matters like paying off those who got your elected ( unions, anyone?) > when that payoff results in big cost overruns and lousy work and loss of > jobs and also other special deals to favor your supporters and playing > mind games with people so that they don't have to take responsibility > for their actions. Cannot have little Johnny skin his knee or he might > cry. > > > > On 01/05/2011 08:52 PM, Dena Liles wrote: >> Well this seems to be just about as heated as up on the hill. Folks I >> don't believe that people voted for replublicans or democratics for >> their stand on anything. Can you honestly say that you understand the >> health care bill? Be honest! One thing I have never had a problem >> admitting is what I don't know. But I do know this (and I'm speaking >> about all parties or progressives (I don't even know when they came >> out of the cabbage patch), independents (who can't be) and the people >> that just try to find the truth on the the candidates. Very few are >> happy with our government; I haven't met a one but I have heard there >> were. >> >> Most that I know of voted for change just like they did hoped for with >> Obama, and they didn't get it. So what are most people going to >> do when they try to fix something (even like a car) and it doesn't >> work. They choose another path expecting that change. So IMHO we have >> voted another stalemate. Now that we have passed this; they have can >> start the election for 2012. >> >> Tommy says: say hello to partisan gridlock, obstruction, >> investigations, the demonization of Unions, legislation to harm the >> poor and working class, efforts to make the President fail, and >> un-American bad behavior for the next two years! *<<< Who in this >> forum refutes that this will go on?* >> >> The Annointed One asks Tommy: Please tell me why you find prolonged >> debate and investigations wrong? *<<< Does anyone really want gov. >> to lengthen and protract anything? * >> ** >> Tommy replies: I do find unwarranted politically motivated >> fillibusters, abuse of the 60 vote rule, backroom "deals", and >> legislative obstruction wrong, however. *<<< Does anyone refute that >> both sides do this and it will stop today forever including you, Mark?* >> ** >> Tommy replies: Our health insurance system is one of the most >> cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system. *<<< Does >> anyone refute that a system should be a regulary interacting or >> interdependent group forming a unified whole * >> ** >> and Tommy continues: It's interesting that in all this talk about >> saving money, it's never once been brought up that perhaps we should >> cut back in the war mongering department. *<<< here's where I have >> something to say because I'm right at the gates of the R&D Mecca of >> the Masters of War - we were laughed at about a year ago when one of >> the firms purposed a robot with a rifle attached to it. And while we >> pay for the R&D and the prototypes to be built (which is usually more >> than producing many of the new and improved ways to kill) the >> companies don't just sell to us. We are getting killed by our own >> inventions. * >> ** >> *Then Johnathen replies: What was good for the goose is definitely >> good for the gander as you will see with this Congress. <<<This one >> needs clarification because this means that: **What is good for a man >> is equally good for a woman; or, what a man can have or do, so can a >> woman have or do. I assume that you are trying to say that the good >> things that one poltical party enjoys, so should the other. Or worse, >> that if you feel you have been wronged then others who have opposed >> your intentions will meet with the same fate irregardless of if it is >> good or bad for our country. >> >> And lastly Dick replies: The thing is that part of the reason we are >> so rich is that our citizens have the opportunity to plan and take >> care of themselves in the way that they choose. We have the right to >> succeed beyond the wildest expectations of the rest of the world and >> we also have the right to fail and then try again. That is what >> freedom is all about. What you want is Uncle Sugar to make sure no >> big bad wolf calls you names or harms you in any way - all you have to >> do is give up your dreams. <<< I just am lost on this because >> Americans can't plan and take care of themselves as they choose the >> restrictions on American citizens - Well I could write all night. >> Countries I can't go to, words I can't type on certain websites, >> places I must conform to to live, taxes I don't want to pay. And no we >> do not have the right to succeed beyond the wildest expectation of the >> rest of world. <<<So this means I can dominate it and exploit it. >> Freedom is the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice >> or action <<<so I'm free to rob a bank. And Uncle Sugar is supposedly >> fighting several wars against the big bad wolf. * >> ** >> *I would say that the posts on this page represent precisely why we >> collectively can't make a decision. As we watch the next 2 years, and >> the next 2 years, and the next 2 years, ponder what was said here. And >> they say that for anything to change it must be from the grassroots >> up. This just disappoints me.* >> *Peace (unless you have stock in War)* >> *TS* >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. 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