*NEOCONSERVATIVES TAKE DC* *---* *they must be removed from our government asap by any means necessary. * On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:33:29 PM UTC-5, MJ wrote: > > > *WHAT DO NEOCONS BELIEVE? > > *The article by Joe Sobran that I link to above describes the neocons as > essentially "pragmatists" who are, at best, "muddled centrists" with > "conservative leanings," and as basically lacking any coherent ideology > beyond support for the New Deal's statification of American capitalism and > a general feeling that they'd "had enough of liberalism." Sobran is right > about their statist inclinations, but he's wrong on the essential point. > The neocons may be all over the map on domestic policy, exhibiting none of > the gut-level distrust of government power that defines the traditional > American Right, but on the vital question of foreign policy they have been > the most consistently belligerent faction in American politics. THE > TRIUMPH OF SIDNEY HOOK <http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch2.html> > > Indeed, warmongering is the very essence of neoconservatism: the first > neocons (James Burnham, and Max Shachtman, two dissident Trotskyists who > turned right staring in 1940) split with the Left over the question of > World War II: Burnham went on to set the tone at *National Review*, and > Shachtman had an influence on the slower-moving ex-lefists who became > Reaganites in the 1970s and 80s. During the Vietnam era, the leading lights > of the neocon movement left the Democratic party when the antiwar > McGovernites took over. During the cold war, as Sobran correctly notes, the > neocons were the most militant faction, and they came into policy positions > during the Reagan administration, boring their way into the National > Endowment for Democracy, and under the aegis of such ex-Democrats as Jeanne > Kirkpatrick. This marriage of Right and ex-Left was consummated, > symbolically, when President Ronald Reagan awarded the Medal of Freedom to > Sidney Hook, a lifelong socialist and fervent anti-Communist. > > To such forerunners of neoconservatism as Professor Hook, the heroes of > the Old Right -- Senator Robert A. Taft, Joe McCarthy, and even Barry > Goldwater -- were disreputable (to liberals, that is) and therefore beyond > the pale. They didn't want to dismantle the Welfare-Warfare State that had > grown up in the wake of the New Deal: indeed, they didn't care much about > domestic policy, as most of the neocons' attention was directed abroad, at > the battlefields of the cold war in Europe and Asia. With the end of the > cold war, however, the necons were temporarily in a funk. What to do? > > *OUR HIJACKED FOREIGN POLICY > **NEOCONSERVATIVES TAKE DC -- BAGHDAD IS NEXT > *By: Justin Raimondo > http://www.etherzone.com/2002/raim040102.shtml > > > > At 04:12 PM 8/20/2013, plainolamerican wrote: > > fund your own charities and fight your own wars for oil and israel. > your'e either a peaceful person or on the other side. > > Neoconservative foreign policy is a descendant of so-called Wilsonian > idealism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism_(international_relations)>. > Neoconservatives endorse democracy > promotion<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_promotion>by the U.S. and > other democracies, based on the claim that they think that > human rights belong to everyone. On domestic > policy<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_policy>, > they endorse a welfare state <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state>, > like European and Canadian conservatives and unlike American > conservatives<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States>. > > > > Democracy promotion <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_promotion> is > allegedly derived from a belief that freedom is a universal human > right<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right>and by opinion polls showing > majority support for democracy in countries > with authoritarian regimes. Democracy promotion is said to have another > benefit, in that democracy and responsive government are expected to reduce > the appeal ofIslamism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism>. > Neoconservatives have cited political scientists [* citation > needed*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed> > ] who have argued that democratic regimes are less likely to start wars. > Further, they argue that the lack of freedoms, lack of economic > opportunities, and the lack of secular general education in authoritarian > regimes promotes radicalism and extremism. Consequently, neoconservatives > advocate democracy promotion to regions of the world where it currently > does not prevail, notably the Arab > nations<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_world>, > Iran <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran>, communist China and North > Korea<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea> > . > > During July 2008 Joe Klein <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Klein> wrote > in TIME <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIME> magazine that today's > neoconservatives are more interested in confronting enemies than in > cultivating friends. He questioned the sincerity of neoconservative > interest in exporting democracy and freedom, saying, *"Neoconservatism in > foreign policy is best described as unilateral bellicosity cloaked in the > utopian rhetoric of freedom and democracy."* > [72]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#cite_note-72> > > During February 2009 Andrew > Sullivan<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan>wrote he no longer took > neoconservatism seriously because its basic tenet > was defense of Israel: > [73]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#cite_note-73> > The closer you examine it, the clearer it is that neoconservatism, in > large part, is simply about enabling the most irredentist elements in > Israel and sustaining a permanent war against anyone or any country who > disagrees with the Israeli right. That's the conclusion I've been forced to > these last few years. And to insist that America adopt exactly the same > constant-war-as-survival that Israelis have been slowly forced into... But > America is not Israel. And once that distinction is made, much of the > neoconservative ideology collapses. > > > On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:53:29 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > You can't be a compassionate human if you turn a blind eye to the > atrocities going on around the world. > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:16 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > I too am a big fan of Ron and Rand Paul. > --- > you can't be a Ron or Rand Paul fan and support US intervention in the > middle east. > > On Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:15:59 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > I too am a big fan of Ron and Rand Paul. Unlike Assange, I am an > American citizen, and do not believe in treasonous actions against my > homeland. Unlike Rand and Ron Paul, Assange is a treacherous bastard, > and both Rand and Ron Paul, even though branding both Snowden and Assange > the "Messenger" or a "civil disobediant" I would surmise also believes > that in the case of Snowden, he's a traitor. > > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Bruce Majors > <[email protected]<http://??>> > wrote: > > > ---------- > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/julian-assange-backs-ron-and-rand-paul/ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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