Michael has graciously provided us with the "Summary of Receipts, Outlays, and Surpluses or Deficits in Current (2005) Dollars, and as a percentage of GDP: 1940-2018"
So, again, I ask you, based on your original statement that Ronald Reagan continued to raise federal income taxes, what does the statement, "The Tax Load increased 65% under Reagan"? On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:07 AM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > <sigh> > > Here are the NUMBERS with some BASIC math -- if you STILL have difficulty, > ask. > > In CURRENT Dollars (in billions): > > Yr Tax Load > 1981 599.3 <-- last Carter -- baseline > 1982 617.8 > 1983 600.6 > 1984 666.4 > 1985 734.0 > 1986 769.2 > 1987 854.3 > 1988 909.2 > 1989 991.1 > > Note the TAX LOAD decreased from 1982 to 1983 before continuing its CLIMB > (following all those increases) > > 991.1 - 599.3 = 391.8 > 391.8 / 599.3 = 0.**653762723177039879859836475888**54 OR 65.37% INCREASE > in the TAX LOAD > > SIMILARLY for SPENDING, we have: > > 1143.7 - 678.2 = 465.5 > 465.5 / 678.2 = 0.**686375700383367738130345030964**32 OR 68.63% INCREASE > in SPENDING > > <http://www.taxpolicycenter.**org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?**Docid=200<http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200> > >http://www.**taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/**displayafact.cfm?Docid=200<http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200> > > Regard$, > --MJ > > "When conservatives mythologize the Reagan presidency as the golden era of > conservatism, it's not Reagan that they're mythologizing, but conservatism." > -- Joshua Green, Washington Monthly, 35/1, Jan/Feb 2003 > > The legacy of Ronald Reagan was arguably worse than Bill Clinton's > precisely because Reagan (allegedly) stood for small government. So when > deficits and the number of crack addicts went through the roof during the > '80s, liberal Democrats could plausibly blame "tax and budget cuts," even > though the latter were nonexistent and the former were mostly shell games > of fancy terminology (like "closing loopholes" and "revenue enhancement"). > -- Robert Murphy > > > > > > At 10:22 AM 8/21/2013, you wrote: > >> What does that mean Michael? That, "The Tax Load increased 65% under >> Reagan"? >> >> This is what your response was, after being called out on the deceitful >> hate and smear writing far left extremist liberal who wrote for the comedy >> publication, "The Onion"; Joshua Green, when I wrote on April 29th, first >> quoting Mr. Green: >> >> >> "As one might expect, most gloss over or completely avoid mentioning the >> many embarrassing and outright alarming aspects of his presidency: from >> consulting astrologers to his fixation with biblical doom to the tortured >> rationalizations that enabled him to believe that he never traded arms for >> hostages." >> None of this of course, is even remotely true, nor is Green's assertion >> regarding Reagan raising taxes four times, or most of Green's allegations >> that besmirch the Reagan legacy. But what is one to expect from a fiction >> writer from "The Onion", who was only 7 years of age when President Reagan >> was elected. >> >> ============== >> >> No question, Mr. Green alleged that President Reagan raised federal >> income taxes, and you were all supportive of Mr. Green's column until >> someone questioned the veracity of his statistics. >> >> The same holds true for Lew Rockwell, when he posted this prevaricate >> piece of garbage, you stood by it until I posted statistics that clearly >> demonsrated Mr. Rockwell is a hate filled lying Moonbat: >> >> <https://groups.google.com/**forum/#!searchin/** >> politicalforum/Reagan$27s$**20Fraud$20and$20Friedman$27s$** >> 20Mistake%7Csort:relevance/**politicalforum/xhEYVUmQwgY/**JyDRI68JaFEJ<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/politicalforum/Reagan$27s$20Fraud$20and$20Friedman$27s$20Mistake%7Csort:relevance/politicalforum/xhEYVUmQwgY/JyDRI68JaFEJ> >> >https://groups.**google.com/forum/#!searchin/** >> politicalforum/Reagan$27s$**20Fraud$20and$20Friedman$27s$** >> 20Mistake%7Csort:relevance/**politicalforum/xhEYVUmQwgY/**JyDRI68JaFEJ<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/politicalforum/Reagan$27s$20Fraud$20and$20Friedman$27s$20Mistake%7Csort:relevance/politicalforum/xhEYVUmQwgY/JyDRI68JaFEJ> >> >> >> So again, I ask you, what does "Increasing The Tax Load By 65 Percent" >> mean to you? >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:23 PM, MJ <<mailto:[email protected]>** >> [email protected] <[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Note it says ... TAX LOAD ... such is entirely different from "Reagan >> raised the federal income taxes" -- a claim not made by me NOR demonstrated >> otherwise by you. >> >> This (tax load INCREASE) was demonstrated for you numerous times. INSTEAD >> you want to cry, pout, stomp-your-feet and spew fallacy as though it will >> make that reality go away. >> >> Regard$, >> --MJ >> >> "The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest >> liars: the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them >> the truth." -- H.L. Mencken >> >> >> >> >> At 09:06 PM 8/20/2013, you wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry, I forgot that you are playing, "I'm A Moonbat" this >>> evening. Here, let me make it easy for you: >>> >>> On April 30, 2013, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Bullshit. The tax load INCREASED 65% under Reagan. The 'evidence' you >>> claim does not exist." >>> >>> Regard$, >>> --MJ >>> >>> ========== >>> >>> To which I responded: >>> >>> >>> >>> Put the crack rock pipe down MJ. You make copy and paste ridiculous >>> statements from the likes of Sheldon Richmon which have no substance and >>> are clearly inaccurate and void of any foundation or truthfulness.....When >>> you make statements like Ronald Reagan increased taxes by 65%, you sound >>> like an idiot Moonbat caught in the proverbial headlights. >>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/**peterferrara/2011/05/05/** >>> reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-**facts-and-figures/<http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/> >>> >http://www.**forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/**2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs- >>> **obamanomics-facts-and-figures/<http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/> >>> http://www.factcheck.org/2012/**07/biggest-tax-increase-in-**history/<http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/biggest-tax-increase-in-history/> >>> From April 5, 2013: >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Keith In Tampa >>> <<mailto:keithintampa@gmail.**com<[email protected]>> >>> [email protected]> >>> Date: Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: Reagan's Fraud and Friedman's Mistake >>> To: politicalforum >>> <<mailto:politicalforum@**googlegroups.com<[email protected]>> >>> <mailto:politicalforum@**googlegroups.com<[email protected]> >>> >politicalforu**[email protected] <[email protected]>> >>> >>> As I mentioned earlier, I am currently reading Reagan's diaries. >>> Despite Stockman's purported "memory"; (and I have not read Mr. Stockman's >>> book....."Yet") Stockman, along with others in the Reagan cabinet were >>> constantly pushing for tax increases, which Reagan refused to do. >>> >>> Again, I haven't read Stockman's book, and only perused Goin's "Book >>> Review", but if Stockman's book is as Mr. Goins is portraying, then Mr. >>> Stockman has forgotten that under Reagan's economic policies, the Nation >>> went from double digit inflation, double digit interest rates, (almost 16 >>> percent prime in 1980!) double digit unemployment, (when such statistics >>> were kept in a more realisitic, believeable manner); to the following: >>> >>> 5.4% unemployment (1987-1988); <http://www.davemanuel.com/** >>> historical-unemployment-rates-**in-the-united-states.php<http://www.davemanuel.com/historical-unemployment-rates-in-the-united-states.php> >>> >http:**//www.davemanuel.com/**historical-unemployment-rates-** >>> in-the-united-states.php<http://www.davemanuel.com/historical-unemployment-rates-in-the-united-states.php> >>> >>> 3.9% inflation rate, (1987-1988) <http://www.** >>> usinflationcalculator.com/**inflation/historical-**inflation-rates/<http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/> >>> >http://www.**usinflationcalculator.com/**inflation/historical-** >>> inflation-rates/<http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/> >>> >>> Prime Interest Rate, 1987-1988: 8.1% - 9.0%; <http://mortgage-x.com/** >>> general/indexes/contract_rate_**history.asp<http://mortgage-x.com/general/indexes/contract_rate_history.asp> >>> >http://mortgage-x.**com/general/indexes/contract_**rate_history.asp<http://mortgage-x.com/general/indexes/contract_rate_history.asp> >>> >>> I'd say that Mr. Reagan's legacy speaks for itself. >>> >>> ======================= >>> >>> I think it is very fair to say that I have always been able to support >>> my rhetoric with data and fact. When I haven't been able to do so, I >>> have admitted as much. >>> >>> All you know how to do is bash conservative libertarians who don't >>> subscribe to that wacko fruitbasket who thinks they are somehow >>> libertarians, when in fact a closer distinction or brand of Lew >>> Rockwell/Justin Raimondo/Sheldon Richmond would be "Socialistic Anarchists". >>> >>> Sometimes, the truth hurts MJ; >>> >>> KeithInTampa >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:55 PM, MJ <<mailto:[email protected]>** >>> [email protected] <[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Realizing it might take MORE effort ... 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