<sigh>
Here are the NUMBERS with some BASIC math -- if you STILL have difficulty, ask.
In CURRENT Dollars (in billions):
Yr Tax Load
1981 599.3 <-- last Carter -- baseline
1982 617.8
1983 600.6
1984 666.4
1985 734.0
1986 769.2
1987 854.3
1988 909.2
1989 991.1
Note the TAX LOAD decreased from 1982 to 1983 before continuing its
CLIMB (following all those increases)
991.1 - 599.3 = 391.8
391.8 / 599.3 = 0.65376272317703987985983647588854 OR 65.37% INCREASE
in the TAX LOAD
SIMILARLY for SPENDING, we have:
1143.7 - 678.2 = 465.5
465.5 / 678.2 = 0.68637570038336773813034503096432 OR 68.63% INCREASE
in SPENDING
<http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200>http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
Regard$,
--MJ
"When conservatives mythologize the Reagan presidency as the golden
era of conservatism, it's not Reagan that they're mythologizing, but
conservatism."
-- Joshua Green, Washington Monthly, 35/1, Jan/Feb 2003
The legacy of Ronald Reagan was arguably worse than Bill Clinton's
precisely because Reagan (allegedly) stood for small government. So
when deficits and the number of crack addicts went through the roof
during the '80s, liberal Democrats could plausibly blame "tax and
budget cuts," even though the latter were nonexistent and the former
were mostly shell games of fancy terminology (like "closing
loopholes" and "revenue enhancement"). -- Robert Murphy
At 10:22 AM 8/21/2013, you wrote:
What does that mean Michael? That, "The Tax Load increased 65%
under Reagan"?
This is what your response was, after being called out on the
deceitful hate and smear writing far left extremist liberal who
wrote for the comedy publication, "The Onion"; Joshua Green, when I
wrote on April 29th, first quoting Mr. Green:
"As one might expect, most gloss over or completely avoid mentioning
the many embarrassing and outright alarming aspects of his
presidency: from consulting astrologers to his fixation with
biblical doom to the tortured rationalizations that enabled him to
believe that he never traded arms for hostages."
None of this of course, is even remotely true, nor is Green's
assertion regarding Reagan raising taxes four times, or most of
Green's allegations that besmirch the Reagan legacy. But what is one
to expect from a fiction writer from "The Onion", who was only 7
years of age when President Reagan was elected.
==============
No question, Mr. Green alleged that President Reagan raised federal
income taxes, and you were all supportive of Mr. Green's column
until someone questioned the veracity of his statistics.
The same holds true for Lew Rockwell, when he posted this
prevaricate piece of garbage, you stood by it until I posted
statistics that clearly demonsrated Mr. Rockwell is a hate filled
lying Moonbat:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/politicalforum/Reagan$27s$20Fraud$20and$20Friedman$27s$20Mistake%7Csort:relevance/politicalforum/xhEYVUmQwgY/JyDRI68JaFEJ>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/politicalforum/Reagan$27s$20Fraud$20and$20Friedman$27s$20Mistake%7Csort:relevance/politicalforum/xhEYVUmQwgY/JyDRI68JaFEJ
So again, I ask you, what does "Increasing The Tax Load By 65
Percent" mean to you?
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:23 PM, MJ
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Note it says ... TAX LOAD ... such is entirely different from
"Reagan raised the federal income taxes" -- a claim not made by me
NOR demonstrated otherwise by you.
This (tax load INCREASE) was demonstrated for you numerous times.
INSTEAD you want to cry, pout, stomp-your-feet and spew fallacy as
though it will make that reality go away.
Regard$,
--MJ
"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the
greatest liars: the men they detest most violently are those who try
to tell them the truth." -- H.L. Mencken
At 09:06 PM 8/20/2013, you wrote:
I'm sorry, I forgot that you are playing, "I'm A Moonbat" this
evening. Here, let me make it easy for you:
On April 30, 2013, you wrote:
"Bullshit. The tax load INCREASED 65% under Reagan. The 'evidence'
you claim does not exist."
Regard$,
--MJ
==========
To which I responded:
Put the crack rock pipe down MJ. You make copy and paste
ridiculous statements from the likes of Sheldon Richmon which have
no substance and are clearly inaccurate and void of any
foundation or truthfulness.....When you make statements like
Ronald Reagan increased taxes by 65%, you sound like an idiot
Moonbat caught in the proverbial headlights.
<http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/>http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/biggest-tax-increase-in-history/
From April 5, 2013:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Keith In Tampa <<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]>
Date: Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Reagan's Fraud and Friedman's Mistake
To: politicalforum <<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
As I mentioned earlier, I am currently reading Reagan's
diaries. Despite Stockman's purported "memory"; (and I have not
read Mr. Stockman's book....."Yet") Stockman, along with others
in the Reagan cabinet were constantly pushing for tax increases,
which Reagan refused to do.
Again, I haven't read Stockman's book, and only perused Goin's
"Book Review", but if Stockman's book is as Mr. Goins is
portraying, then Mr. Stockman has forgotten that under Reagan's
economic policies, the Nation went from double digit inflation,
double digit interest rates, (almost 16 percent prime in 1980!)
double digit unemployment, (when such statistics were kept in a
more realisitic, believeable manner); to the following:
5.4% unemployment (1987-1988);
<http://www.davemanuel.com/historical-unemployment-rates-in-the-united-states.php>http://www.davemanuel.com/historical-unemployment-rates-in-the-united-states.php
3.9% inflation rate, (1987-1988)
<http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/>http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
Prime Interest Rate, 1987-1988: 8.1% - 9.0%;
<http://mortgage-x.com/general/indexes/contract_rate_history.asp>http://mortgage-x.com/general/indexes/contract_rate_history.asp
I'd say that Mr. Reagan's legacy speaks for itself.
=======================
I think it is very fair to say that I have always been able to
support my rhetoric with data and fact. When I haven't been able
to do so, I have admitted as much.
All you know how to do is bash conservative libertarians who don't
subscribe to that wacko fruitbasket who thinks they are somehow
libertarians, when in fact a closer distinction or brand of Lew
Rockwell/Justin Raimondo/Sheldon Richmond would be "Socialistic Anarchists".
Sometimes, the truth hurts MJ;
KeithInTampa
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:55 PM, MJ
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Realizing it might take MORE effort ... HERE is a rubric for you:
When <insert person> claimed <insert statement by person (with
context)> ... he was wrong because of <insert reasons>.
That he was a "Poopeyhead" OR because he likes Hitler OR because he
once associated with some other despicable (at least to you)
Individual is meaningless.
Regard$,
--MJ
"My yet-to-be-learned lesson -- and perhaps that of Rep. Hubbard --
is that there are certain topics or arguments that one should not
bring up in the presence of children or those with little
understanding. Both might see that explaining a phenomenon is the
same as giving it moral sanction or justification. It's as if one's
explanation that the independent influence of gravity on a falling
object is to cause it to accelerate at 32 feet per second per
second could be interpreted as giving moral sanction and
justification to gravity." -- Walter E. Williams
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