I wasn't arguing for or against "income" tax, specifically. More as  
in, we're going to be taxed, period.

> Roads are paid for by gas taxes
^--a tax, and don't forget DMV fees and registration(both taxes)

> Libraries can and are often privatized
How is this relevant? Libraries are _setup_ by government funds. Are  
you against funding public education?

> Firemen, police, and many other things are paid for by property taxes.
They _used_ to be paid for by property taxes and are now paid for by  
partially federal and partially state tax revenues--no specific  
origin. And it doesn't change the fact that is still a tax.

> All of which leads to, why do we need income taxes?
Because people want an industrial military complex that can face the  
worlds problems with enough firepower to never be intimidated by any  
other nation.

I'd love to stop paying income tax and as far as my libertarianism  
with this respect, it has not changed. I'm just _very_ pessimistic of  
it ever becoming a reality.

> Wow Lance you really have stopped being a libertarian.
Yes, Joel, I have. I don't subscribe to any single set of ideas. I  
don't think it would be a good idea to privatize everything. And  
Libertarians want everything to be private except the military--and  
some want this to be private too. I think the best way to illustrate  
this is, is to point to the issues we are having with the economic  
situation in the US. Things were deregulated (made more private), and  
shit got out of hand. People got greedy, and now we the people have to  
bail out (rescue--whatever the fuck you want to call it) the rich with  
$840 Billion.

The point? Privatization isn't always the answer. On the flip side,  
government regulation isn't always the answer either. I think there  
should be a balance of the two.

And one more point, that really is just more fun than an actual point-- 
if you don't want to pay income tax, just make less than $30,000/ 
year. :-)

-Lance



On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Joel Brauer wrote:

> Wow Lance you really have stopped being a libertarian.  Roads are  
> paid for by gas taxes,  Libraries can and are often privatized.   
> Firemen, police, and many other things are paid for by property  
> taxes.  All of which leads to, why do we need income taxes?  WE  
> DON'T, unless the government thinks they can spend your money better  
> than you!
>
> Joel Brauer
>
> Only you can decide to be happy!  The rest of life is in the  
> details...
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Lance McCulley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> I know! I fucking hate having roads, libraries, firemen, police, oh  
> and don't forget our military....
> Ah, to not pay taxes--what a fairy tale dream. No matter how I wish  
> it weren't true, there are only two certainties in this life--death,  
> and taxes. And the older I get, the more I realize this fact of life.
>
> Of course, I don't want to pay taxes. Who would? Problem is, the  
> people demand services from government.
>
> -Lance
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Joel Brauer wrote:
>
>> Gotta love the government!  "GIMME YOUR MONEY JARRAD!!!  I can  
>> spend it better than you can!!!"
>>
>> Joel Brauer
>>
>> Only you can decide to be happy!  The rest of life is in the  
>> details...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Jarrad Reiner  
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=202173
>>
>>
>> Jarrad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> >


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