"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury...with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy." -- Alexander Tyler (1787)
On Oct 21, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Joel Brauer wrote: > > Joel Brauer > > Only you can decide to be happy! The rest of life is in the > details... > > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Lance McCulley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > I wasn't arguing for or against "income" tax, specifically. More as > in, we're going to be taxed, period. > >> Roads are paid for by gas taxes > ^--a tax, and don't forget DMV fees and registration(both taxes) > > Yes its a tax, but a voluntary one, I choose whether I want to > purchase gas and how much, and I reap the direct benefit from it > when I use the roads. > > >> Libraries can and are often privatized > How is this relevant? Libraries are _setup_ by government funds. Are > you against funding public education? > Yes I am against funding public education, did you really need to ask? > >> Firemen, police, and many other things are paid for by property >> taxes. > They _used_ to be paid for by property taxes and are now paid for by > partially federal and partially state tax revenues--no specific > origin. And it doesn't change the fact that is still a tax. > Yes, but not an income tax. Income tax is immoral, other taxes that > are only assesed when you choose to participate in a particular > thing are less so. Property taxes could be argued both ways. But > first things first. > > >> All of which leads to, why do we need income taxes? > Because people want an industrial military complex that can face the > worlds problems with enough firepower to never be intimidated by any > other nation. > > Why don't we just stop interfering in world politics and supporting > nations, like israel, for our own religious reasons... ugh :( > > > I'd love to stop paying income tax and as far as my libertarianism > with this respect, it has not changed. I'm just _very_ pessimistic > of it ever becoming a reality. > > I too am pesimistic about it every fully being implemented, but I > will continue to push for the ideals and support those who do as well. > >> Wow Lance you really have stopped being a libertarian. > Yes, Joel, I have. I don't subscribe to any single set of ideas. I > don't think it would be a good idea to privatize everything. And > Libertarians want everything to be private except the military--and > some want this to be private too. I think the best way to illustrate > this is, is to point to the issues we are having with the economic > situation in the US. Things were deregulated (made more private), > and shit got out of hand. People got greedy, and now we the people > have to bail out (rescue--whatever the fuck you want to call it) the > rich with $840 Billion. > > My point exactly. If I were in charge those banks would have been > allowed to go under, as you will find most libertarians feel they > should have been. Noone was more upset than me when I heard they'd > passed the bail-out. Its total BS! But nobody cares what I think! > Personal and Corporate > > The point? Privatization isn't always the answer. On the flip side, > government regulation isn't always the answer either. I think there > should be a balance of the two. > > A balance of the two IS what caused this huge extra $840 billion tax > burden > > And one more point, that really is just more fun than an actual > point--if you don't want to pay income tax, just make less than > $30,000/year. :-) > > LOL, good point... <gets up from desk and walks away> LATA SUCKA'z!!!! > > -Lance > > > > On Oct 21, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Joel Brauer wrote: > >> Wow Lance you really have stopped being a libertarian. Roads are >> paid for by gas taxes, Libraries can and are often privatized. >> Firemen, police, and many other things are paid for by property >> taxes. All of which leads to, why do we need income taxes? WE >> DON'T, unless the government thinks they can spend your money >> better than you! >> >> Joel Brauer >> >> Only you can decide to be happy! The rest of life is in the >> details... >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Lance McCulley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > wrote: >> I know! I fucking hate having roads, libraries, firemen, police, oh >> and don't forget our military.... >> Ah, to not pay taxes--what a fairy tale dream. No matter how I wish >> it weren't true, there are only two certainties in this life-- >> death, and taxes. And the older I get, the more I realize this fact >> of life. >> >> Of course, I don't want to pay taxes. Who would? Problem is, the >> people demand services from government. >> >> -Lance >> >> >> >> On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Joel Brauer wrote: >> >>> Gotta love the government! "GIMME YOUR MONEY JARRAD!!! I can >>> spend it better than you can!!!" >>> >>> Joel Brauer >>> >>> Only you can decide to be happy! The rest of life is in the >>> details... >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Jarrad Reiner >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=202173 >>> >>> >>> Jarrad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Politically Opinionated Outspoken People Expounding Religion" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/pooper?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
