>When you tried it, what did you start-up from? I used an old OS 8.5 CD on >the powerbook.
And >Just so you KNOW I'm not a complete idiot, and perhaps you can see what we >are doing differently... > >http://www.insysco.net.au/cwbb/MOV01423.MPG > >This is a movie (quite crappy quality, sorry about that...) of me selecting >LLF after booting up in OS 8.5 OK OK, I believe you! ;-) For the record, we are doing everything the same. The only other thing I can think of is that maybe our different versions of Drive Setup act differently. On the beige G3 (OS 9.2.2), I'm using 2.0.7. On the 5300ce (OS 8.6), I'm using 1.7.2. I can't test my Quadra 630, as it's guts are in a box right now. I don't have any other IDE macs on hand... Interesting... All I can say is that on the 15 or so IDE-based Macs I've used, I've NEVER seen this option available when trying to initialize the internal HD (Quadra 630, a handful of PowerBooks, some nubus PowerMacs ala 5200, etc). Though, now that I think about it, it would seem strange that I've heard this warning before, if it has never been an option on an IDE mac. (No, I haven't only heard it with respect to SCSI disk mode) Admittedly, on the PowerBooks, I just booted from the internal disk. But on the beige G3, I have 2 IDE disks (one's the boot disk, one isn't). Both are greyed out. Maybe a little later I'll track down the 8.1 disk tools floppy for my 5300ce, but right now I'm too lazy. My Wallstreet is my internet gateway, so I try not to reboot that when I don't have to. That i've selected boot disk shouldn't matter, though - the "initialize" button will be greyed out, but notably, the Zero all data option is never greyed out. When you select the boot disk to initialize, then select the options, it doesn't care if you've selected the boot disk or not. I don't intend to get into an argument (which, I realize, is exactly what i've started... sorry to make you dig out the camcorder!) I was trying to pass on some advice. If you can come up with documentation that says it IS ok to LLF an IDE hard drive, then I will recant. Otherwise, I would say it's better to be on the safe side and refrain from doing it, than it is to run the risk of ruining a perfectly functional hard drive. And lets face it, how many of us back up our data daily? ;-) Finally, why would you want to? One of the advantages of IDE drives is that they automatically write out sectors and bad blocks. LLF would be redundant. As I've read around the web, the best way to handle bad blocks on an IDE disk is to let the drive figure out what to do with them. You do that by picking "zero all data." The drive will write zeros to every block on the disk. When it sees a bad block, it will automatically map it out. LLF is really only useful for SCSI drives. >what is a shenigan - a fruit ? a japaneese eatingtool ? "I declare shenanigans on you! Shenanigans! Shenanigans!" That is a line from South Park on the US cable network Comedy Central. South Park is not entirely politically correct, though it does manage to have some redeeming and extremely scathing political and social commentary from time to time. Depending on usage, the noun shenanigan can mean something is a prank or mischievous, or it can mean a scam, trick, or underhanded act. I meant it more as a joke. Peace, Drew -- Author of ClassicStumbler email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> web: <http://homepage.mac.com/alk/> Want to know if your neighbor has Wi-Fi? Find out with ClassicStumbler! <http://homepage.mac.com/alk/classicstumbler/> -- PowerBooks is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> PowerBooks list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/powerbooks.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/powerbooks%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Mac? Free email & more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
