On 18/3/03 10:57 AM, "Andrew Kershaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I've low-level formatted many IDE/ATA drives, most in desktops, but also in
>> my 1.3GB 1400.
> 
> Well, color me crazy.
--snip--
> 
> Open Drive Setup.  Click on the drive you want to initialize.  Select
> the "Functions" -> "Initialization Options..." menu.  "Low level
> format" is definitely not available as an option.  It is greyed out
> and not selectable.

I assure you, It is NOT greyed out on this machine (PB 1400), nor on my
5500/225's and no, not even on my LCD iMac (after booting in 9.2). And yes,
I have low level formatted all of them. I had a look when the machine was
booted from the hard drive, and THEN it's greyed out, but I doubt you could
actually go through with formatting the start-up disk anyway... In all
cases, the "type" listed in drive set-up is "ATA".
 
> I'm suspicious that you were able to do this in any desktop mac.
> Unless you've got one of those Turbo66 or other Sonnet IDE cards
> (which only allow this through the fact that they are 3rd party
> controllers and not "known" to Drive Setup - also some of them
> identify IDE disks as on a SCSI bus).  But I'm pretty sure I've heard
> horror stories on the PowerComputing list about people who LLF'd IDE
> drives connected to these cards...

Nope, these are the stock hard drives plugged into the stock controller.
I've tried to take a screenshot, but that doesn't seem to work when booted
from a CD.

> So, to those who say that they have successfully LLF'd an IDE drive,
> I declare shenanigans!  :-)

Declare what you want, I know my Macs, and I sure as heck know when I LLF a
drive or not. In fact, I have not come across a drive that WON'T LLF, when
booted from a disk other than the HD. I know it is not just a fluke, as I
LLF'ed a room full of Power Mac 5500/225, and then the next room of iMac
233's at my old school. All had some major problems before hand, but ran
like a dream afterwards (something not to be sneezed at in a high-school :-)

> For the disbelievers:
> <http://freepctech.com/pc/001/007.shtml>
> <http://www.appletechs.com/archives/00000055.html>
> <http://modecideas.com/faq45.htm?faqsubpar>

I honestly have not ONCE had a problem doing this. I don't know what these
people are doing to their drives...

> 
> Peace,
> Drew

Well, I agree with you on the "peace" part anyway :-)

--
John


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