At 02:54 PM 3/11/2008 -0300, Ricardo Araoz wrote: >Charlie Coleman wrote: ... > > So maybe the real question is why would God give "free will?" Of course I > > can't claim to know the full answer to this. > >So you "can't claim to know the full answer to this" but you can claim >to "know" how and how much god limited himself? What a curiously patched >knowledge you claim.
Hmm... Maybe this is a translation or wording problem. I don't claim to "fully know" any of God's reasoning or thought process. I'm relating to you my understanding of Bible teaching as I have come to understand it so far. I imagine it's hard to understand that if you don't believe in God; and therefore think the only "knowledge" is what you can yourself explain. > > But maybe it has to do with the difference in relating to "controlled" > creatures and "free will" > > creatures. For example, I want my son to help around the house. When it's > > time to take the trash out, sometimes I have to tell him and make him do > > it. Other times he just does it on his own. In both cases I'm pleased that > > he does it, but when he chooses to do it, the feeling I get is much more > > profound. I hope that doesn't sound to trite. But if you see what I'm > > getting at, imagine that is magnified infinitely more for God when His > > created choose Him over their own pride. > >If you were to design your son. Would you design him so that he chose to >do it or that he doesn't. And if your son does as he's been designed >wouldn't it be foolish to either be pleased or be frustrated? And if he >doesn't do as he is designed... then the fault lies in the designer and >not in your son. And if you say you let "chance" make that choice I >should remind you you are god so you control chance, and if you choose >not to, then why blame chance's outcome on your son. Honestly, I don't know if I'd give something I design "free will." If I did, I'd have to accept the choice it made. Even if that choice were going to destroy the created. And by definition, that wouldn't be my fault since the created had the "free will" to choose otherwise. -Charlie _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
