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4 5 5 6 1 2 ]&v 1 2 ,: 3 4 1 2 3 4 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected]>wrote: > There are other follies to be had... > > > On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jose Mario Quintana < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> By the way, is there a convention on this forum for hiding spoilers in >> posts? >> >> >> I guess the broad convention is just to give a warning; I like to say >> something as: >> >> >> Such a verb v comes in... >> >> ,. @: |. @: i. 51 >> 50 >> 49 >> 48 >> 47 >> 46 >> 45 >> 44 >> 43 >> 42 >> 41 >> 40 >> 39 >> 38 >> 37 >> 36 >> 35 >> 34 >> 33 >> 32 >> 31 >> 30 >> 29 >> 28 >> 27 >> 26 >> 25 >> 24 >> 23 >> 22 >> 21 >> 20 >> 19 >> 18 >> 17 >> 16 >> 15 >> 14 >> 13 >> 12 >> 11 >> 10 >> 9 >> 8 >> 7 >> 6 >> 5 >> 4 >> 3 >> 2 >> 1 >> 0 >> >> v=. +"_2 0 >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> >> > By the way, is there a convention on this forum for hiding spoilers in >> > posts? >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected] >> > >wrote: >> > >> > > Got it now. But I still need some rest to really understand it. >> > > >> > > Here is more weirdness: >> > > >> > > 1 2 ]@v 1 2 3 >> > > 2 3 >> > > 3 4 >> > > 4 5 >> > > 1 2 v 1 2 3 >> > > |length error: v >> > > | 1 2 v 1 2 3 >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Henry Rich <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > >> > >> yes. >> > >> >> > >> It's not a special-code trick. v is a verb. ] could be anything, >> and >> > >> the same weirdness would result. >> > >> >> > >> 1 2 v 2 3 >> > >> 3 5 >> > >> 1 2 (v) 2 3 >> > >> 3 5 >> > >> 1 2 ]@v 2 3 >> > >> 3 4 >> > >> 4 5 >> > >> 1 2 ]@(v) 2 3 >> > >> 3 4 >> > >> 4 5 >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Henry Rich >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On 6/7/2013 6:43 PM, Dan Bron wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> My question #2 had two clauses with opposite senses (i.e. it was an >> > >>> either/or question), so an unqualified "no" is an ambiguous >> response. >> > Let >> > >>> me phrase it as a strict yes/no question: >> > >>> >> > >>> Does x ]@(v) y necessarily produce the same result as x ]@v y ? >> > >>> >> > >>> I'm trying to prune out lines of inquiry which would be >> unsurprising or >> > >>> at least mundane. Since adverbs can see their entire verbal >> argument, >> > >>> phrases like ]@+/ and ]@(+/) are fundamentally different, even if >> they >> > >>> produce the same results when applied to arguments. In short, if my >> v >> > is >> > >>> given access to the ]@ then all sorts of doors are opened (this is >> > actually >> > >>> how most special code is implemented) and the puzzle is not so >> > interesting. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> If, on the other hand, we're taking about a ]@(v) which differs from >> > >>> plain (v), that is very interesting; and if the DoJ does in fact >> > legitimize >> > >>> it (or at least fail to prohibit it), then it is fascinating! >> > >>> >> > >>> -Dan >> > >>> >> > >>> Please excuse typos; composed on a handheld device. >> > >>> >> > >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Henry Rich <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> 1 yes; 2 no; 3 not exactly specified; guess incorrect >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Henry Rich >> > >>>> >> > >>>> On 6/7/2013 4:36 PM, Dan Bron wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> Three questions: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> #1 Is v necessarily a verb? >> > >>>>> #2 Does the effect depend upon v being anonymous, or will it >> > work >> > >>>>> if v is assigned to a name and/or wrapped in parens? >> > >>>>> #3 Is the effect indicated, contraindicated, or unspecified >> by >> > the >> > >>>>> Dictionary? >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> -Dan >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> PS: My initial guess is this is almost certainly a bug >> introduced by >> > >>>>> some >> > >>>>> special-code optimization. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- >> > >>>>> From: programming-bounces@forums.**jsoftware.com< >> > [email protected]> >> > >>>>> [mailto:programming-bounces@**forums.jsoftware.com< >> > [email protected]>] >> > >>>>> On Behalf Of Henry Rich >> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:14 PM >> > >>>>> To: Programming forum >> > >>>>> Subject: [Jprogramming] A puzzle >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> For what sort of v does >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> ]@v >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> give different results than >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> v >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> ? No side effects. >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> 1 2 v 1 2 >> > >>>>> 2 4 >> > >>>>> 1 2 ]@v 1 2 >> > >>>>> 2 3 >> > >>>>> 3 4 >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Henry Rich >> > >>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> > >>>>> ---------- >> > >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/** >> > >>>>> forums.htm <http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> > >>>>> ---------- >> > >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/** >> > >>>>> forums.htm <http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> > >>>> ---------- >> > >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/** >> > >>>> forums.htm <http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >> > >>>> >> > >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> > >>> ---------- >> > >>> For information about J forums see >> > http://www.jsoftware.com/**forums.htm< >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >> > >>> >> > >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> > >> ---------- >> > >> For information about J forums see >> > http://www.jsoftware.com/**forums.htm< >> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
