Gosh, sorry for all the noise on this thread. The previous example was not what it was meant to be.
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected]>wrote: > Sorry, the last message was incomplete... > > 1 2 v 1 2 ,: 3 4 > 2 3 > 3 4 > > 4 5 > 5 6 > 1 2 ]&v 1 2 ,: 3 4 > 1 2 > 3 4 > > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected]>wrote: > >> There are other follies to be had... >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Jose Mario Quintana < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected] >>> >wrote: >>> By the way, is there a convention on this forum for hiding spoilers in >>> posts? >>> >>> >>> I guess the broad convention is just to give a warning; I like to say >>> something as: >>> >>> >>> Such a verb v comes in... >>> >>> ,. @: |. @: i. 51 >>> 50 >>> 49 >>> 48 >>> 47 >>> 46 >>> 45 >>> 44 >>> 43 >>> 42 >>> 41 >>> 40 >>> 39 >>> 38 >>> 37 >>> 36 >>> 35 >>> 34 >>> 33 >>> 32 >>> 31 >>> 30 >>> 29 >>> 28 >>> 27 >>> 26 >>> 25 >>> 24 >>> 23 >>> 22 >>> 21 >>> 20 >>> 19 >>> 18 >>> 17 >>> 16 >>> 15 >>> 14 >>> 13 >>> 12 >>> 11 >>> 10 >>> 9 >>> 8 >>> 7 >>> 6 >>> 5 >>> 4 >>> 3 >>> 2 >>> 1 >>> 0 >>> >>> v=. +"_2 0 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected] >>> >wrote: >>> >>> > By the way, is there a convention on this forum for hiding spoilers in >>> > posts? >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Thomas Costigliola <[email protected] >>> > >wrote: >>> > >>> > > Got it now. But I still need some rest to really understand it. >>> > > >>> > > Here is more weirdness: >>> > > >>> > > 1 2 ]@v 1 2 3 >>> > > 2 3 >>> > > 3 4 >>> > > 4 5 >>> > > 1 2 v 1 2 3 >>> > > |length error: v >>> > > | 1 2 v 1 2 3 >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Henry Rich <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> yes. >>> > >> >>> > >> It's not a special-code trick. v is a verb. ] could be anything, >>> and >>> > >> the same weirdness would result. >>> > >> >>> > >> 1 2 v 2 3 >>> > >> 3 5 >>> > >> 1 2 (v) 2 3 >>> > >> 3 5 >>> > >> 1 2 ]@v 2 3 >>> > >> 3 4 >>> > >> 4 5 >>> > >> 1 2 ]@(v) 2 3 >>> > >> 3 4 >>> > >> 4 5 >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> Henry Rich >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On 6/7/2013 6:43 PM, Dan Bron wrote: >>> > >> >>> > >>> My question #2 had two clauses with opposite senses (i.e. it was an >>> > >>> either/or question), so an unqualified "no" is an ambiguous >>> response. >>> > Let >>> > >>> me phrase it as a strict yes/no question: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Does x ]@(v) y necessarily produce the same result as x ]@v y ? >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I'm trying to prune out lines of inquiry which would be >>> unsurprising or >>> > >>> at least mundane. Since adverbs can see their entire verbal >>> argument, >>> > >>> phrases like ]@+/ and ]@(+/) are fundamentally different, even if >>> they >>> > >>> produce the same results when applied to arguments. In short, if >>> my v >>> > is >>> > >>> given access to the ]@ then all sorts of doors are opened (this is >>> > actually >>> > >>> how most special code is implemented) and the puzzle is not so >>> > interesting. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> If, on the other hand, we're taking about a ]@(v) which differs >>> from >>> > >>> plain (v), that is very interesting; and if the DoJ does in fact >>> > legitimize >>> > >>> it (or at least fail to prohibit it), then it is fascinating! >>> > >>> >>> > >>> -Dan >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Please excuse typos; composed on a handheld device. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Henry Rich <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >>> > >>> 1 yes; 2 no; 3 not exactly specified; guess incorrect >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> Henry Rich >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> On 6/7/2013 4:36 PM, Dan Bron wrote: >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>>> Three questions: >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> #1 Is v necessarily a verb? >>> > >>>>> #2 Does the effect depend upon v being anonymous, or will it >>> > work >>> > >>>>> if v is assigned to a name and/or wrapped in parens? >>> > >>>>> #3 Is the effect indicated, contraindicated, or unspecified >>> by >>> > the >>> > >>>>> Dictionary? >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> -Dan >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> PS: My initial guess is this is almost certainly a bug >>> introduced by >>> > >>>>> some >>> > >>>>> special-code optimization. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>> > >>>>> From: programming-bounces@forums.**jsoftware.com< >>> > [email protected]> >>> > >>>>> [mailto:programming-bounces@**forums.jsoftware.com< >>> > [email protected]>] >>> > >>>>> On Behalf Of Henry Rich >>> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 3:14 PM >>> > >>>>> To: Programming forum >>> > >>>>> Subject: [Jprogramming] A puzzle >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> For what sort of v does >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> ]@v >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> give different results than >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> v >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> ? No side effects. >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> 1 2 v 1 2 >>> > >>>>> 2 4 >>> > >>>>> 1 2 ]@v 1 2 >>> > >>>>> 2 3 >>> > >>>>> 3 4 >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> Henry Rich >>> > >>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> > >>>>> ---------- >>> > >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/** >>> > >>>>> forums.htm <http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> > >>>>> ---------- >>> > >>>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/** >>> > >>>>> forums.htm <http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> > >>>> ---------- >>> > >>>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/** >>> > >>>> forums.htm <http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> > >>> ---------- >>> > >>> For information about J forums see >>> > http://www.jsoftware.com/**forums.htm< >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>> > >> ---------- >>> > >> For information about J forums see >>> > http://www.jsoftware.com/**forums.htm< >>> http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm >>> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
