..wah gw telat balas tulisan item yg belepotan taik salman rusdi ini... .. bukan kgak mau balas, soalnya gw lagi melancong ... capeknya masih terasa..
gini tem.. gw kgak silau oleh tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg didominasi amrik sama konco2nya yg ngejelekin islam supaya mrk punya legitimasi ngebantai orang islam ...... apalagi tulisan yg ngaco seperti yg lu percaya itu..... apa perempuan disunat lalu kgak bisa beranak? bahkan bisa mati segala?... tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg ngawur, sama sekali kgak kredibel..... kgak perlu ada studi ilmiah utk bilang tulisan mereka ngawur.. kenyataan di dunia nyata sdh jelas bhw statement mereka ngawur.. dan lu percaya sama tulisan mereka? tentu saja lu percaya karena lu memang bagian dari orang yg mau melibas islam dan orang islam.. dimilis ini .. and beyond.. setiap ada tulisan yg seperti ini lu telen bulat seperti lu telen taik salman rusdi.... dan lu kgak punya malu sebarin tulisan konyol penuh fitnah.. sama artinya dengan lu tukang fitnah juga...... jelas? .. ihh... On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.peda...@yahoo.com>wrote: > ** > > > > > safin _blanc ini jelas berotak babi.. > > Tanpa argumen ilmiah dia bilang kesimpulan pakar organisasi dunia itu > "fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam " > > Edan. > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> wrote: > > > > .. apa gw bilang? titit lo memang sontoloyo.. > > .. bantah tuh kalo lu bisa bantah... > > .. disertai bukti.. > > > > .. kalo kgak, orang di milis ini akan ketawain lu.. > > .. > > > > Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the partial or total > > removal of the external genitalia undertaken for cultural or other > > non-medical reasons often causing severe pain and sometimes resulting > in > > prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and even death. > > .. ini fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam, sehingga orang > yg > > bayar ongkos perang percaya bhw islam memang perlu dibasmi.... > > .. gw kgak pernah dengar ada cw yg mengalami seperti yg lu jadikan > > referensi ini.. kecuali tentu saja rasa sakit. infeksi bisa terjadi kalo > > caranya kgak hygenis, tapi infertility? kematian?.. hah.. kgak tahu malu > > nyebar pitnah.... > > > > .. sunat juga sakit, apa lu kgak sunat? > > .. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@...>wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... > > > > > > http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw kgak pernah > > > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini gw,.. > > > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... > > > > > > > > > > > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di milis ini, > > > urusan > > > > begini aja jadi besar.. > > > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti titit lu > yg > > > > sontoloyo.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg dipotong > itilnya > > > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > > > > > > > > > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. > > > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. > > > > > > > > > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. > > > > > > > > > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg > bahagia.. > > > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam di milis > > > ini,... > > > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. > > > > > > > > > > > >kasihaaaannn... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> ** > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu ketawa2, > > > berarti lu > > > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu itu udah > > > disunat > > > > > >> belum itilnya? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam plus plus > itu > > > ga > > > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara syariat > > > iblis, > > > > > spt > > > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat itilnya, > > > cewek > > > > > yg > > > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting > Rite > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada kawin, > dan > > > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai kita > > > tetangganya > > > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita bilang,.. > > > ngesek > > > > > itu > > > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau melibas > > > islam dan > > > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> ** > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA > > > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > > > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and dingy room, > > > where an > > > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made me sit > on a > > > low > > > > > >> wooden > > > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did something I screamed > out > > > in > > > > > >> pain," > > > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood experience. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a good > fight" > > > before > > > > > >> she > > > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was being > taken > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when soap went > > > there > > > > > while > > > > > >> >> bathing!" > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their > daughters > > > > > undergo > > > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), > the > > > > > Dawoodi > > > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from the community > > > first > > > > > >> began > > > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a tight-knit > > > > > community, > > > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and > estimated to > > > > > number > > > > > >> two > > > > > >> >> million the world over. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian weekly > > > > > `Outlook' > > > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the Bohras trace > > > back to > > > > > >> their > > > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with because > they > > > see > > > > > this > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra women > and men > > > > > even > > > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather than > > > question a > > > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross violation of a > > > woman's > > > > > >> >> body." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a procedure > that > > > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital organs for > > > > > non-medical > > > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African countries, may > > > involve > > > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well as in > some > > > > > Middle > > > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or > mutilation. > > > > > African > > > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, Central > > > African > > > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, Kenya > and > > > Egypt. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful since it is > done > > > > > with > > > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to curb a > woman's > > > > > sexual > > > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and sees it > as a > > > way > > > > > of > > > > > >> >> controlling women. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of > > > Obstetricians and > > > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe that a > > > > > community as > > > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out this > > > practice. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip or clip > (of > > > the > > > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob the > woman of > > > > > sexual > > > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah Syed, > finds > > > no > > > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am no > > > religious > > > > > >> scholar, > > > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic injunction, I'd > > > suggest > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the reason > so > > > that > > > > > >> they > > > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" Haider > asks. > > > "Women > > > > > >> who > > > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" she > says. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, who goes > by > > > the > > > > > name > > > > > >> of > > > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an online > petition > > > > > asking > > > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad > Burhanuddin, to > > > have > > > > > >> this > > > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, who is > based > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a barbaric > ritual > > > has no > > > > > >> place > > > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we pray to His > > > > > Holiness > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider are in a > > > minority > > > > > >> among > > > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most still get > > > their > > > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the > community's > > > > > high > > > > > >> >> priest. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there must be > some > > > > > goodness > > > > > >> in > > > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia > Mohammad, > > > 38, > > > > > >> mother > > > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" and > > > "barbaric", > > > > > >> but > > > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a very safe > > > manner > > > > > >> today > > > > > >> >> by doctors." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' circumcisions. "It > > > takes > > > > > less > > > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under local > > > anaesthesia. > > > > > >> Just a > > > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she said. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the rite > except > > > what > > > > > was > > > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the clitoris is > > > unclean and > > > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of information > > > > > circulating > > > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the > community > > > with > > > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed decisions. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next > generation. > > > They > > > > > >> will > > > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare them," she > says > > > of a > > > > > >> rite > > > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in all > strata > > > of > > > > > Bohra > > > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition because > > > "it's > > > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when she was > seven > > > by > > > > > her > > > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show how this > ritual > > > > > >> perpetuates > > > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" for life > for > > > > > getting > > > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. "I have > > > friends > > > > > who > > > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex drive. On > the > > > other > > > > > >> hand, > > > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young child's > clitoris > > > gives > > > > > me > > > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena Ali. > She > > > > > refuses > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - considered the > right > > > age > > > > > >> band > > > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an animated > forum > > > for > > > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for the very > > > first > > > > > time, > > > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but once the > media > > > got > > > > > >> into > > > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began talking > about > > > > > their > > > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email exchange > from > > > > > India. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 signatures. "I > > > will > > > > > keep > > > > > >> >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising awareness is the > > > first > > > > > step > > > > > >> >> towards solving the problem." > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this petition, only > time > > > > > will > > > > > >> >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the petition > will > > > make > > > > > a > > > > > >> >> difference. 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