Gua persilakan lu unt ngoceh apapun jg ttg Alkitab, gua ga merasa perlu unt ngebantah krn gua mau lu nunjukin betapa tololnya lu itu. Dan gua jg pengen tahu sampe kapan si suryana diam aja ngeliat agamanya difitnah oleh lu. Jadi gua bisa tau berapa tebal muka si suryana yg ga kenal malu itu.
From: rezameutia <rezameu...@yahoo.com> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:22 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Orang Islam itu disuruh nyedot2 air ke dlm hidung oleh nabi. Kadang ada >> orang Islam yg ngaku di milis bhw mereka emang disuruh melakukan perbuatan >> konyol spt itu, tp di milis ini, ga ada satu ekor muslim yg berani ngaku. >>  > >hehehe... > >si item mulai pindah pantat dan ngacir dari topik, ini kan cuman omongan elu >yang bohong dan ngayal sembari ngeloco aja. mana mungkin ada orang islam yang >nyedot2 air ke dalam idung waktu wudhu. > >emangnya ada orang yang begonya kelewatan seperti elu? > >udah biasa kok orang bego pemakan taik kayak elu yang level kecerdasannya >seperti babi sering berbohong. apalagi kalo udah terdesak dan nggak bisa >ngebantah lagi, langsung dah pindah pantat dan ngacir dari topik. > >> Orang Islam itu jg disuruh piara jenggot, motong jembut dan nyabut bulu >> ketek. Apa orang2 Islam di milis ini udah melakukannya? >>  >> Kalo ngeliat orang2 Islam soleh yg berjihad di jalan auloh, mereka itu semua >> piara jenggot, pasti jg mereka nyabutin bulu ketek dan motong jembut. Apa >> orang2 Islam di milis ini sesoleh pejihad2 di jalan auloh tsb? >>  >> Kalo si rezameutia sih udah jelas dia doyan judi, ga soleh, hehehe... >>  >>  >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@...> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 9:49 AM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) >> > >> > >> > >> >gw nggak heran kalo elu bilang babi itu pinter karena kelakuan sex elu kan >> >emang sama dengan babi yang doyan ngentot ibu sendiri, ngentot anak sendiri. >> > >> >btw, semua orang kan udah tau bahwa babi itu pemakan taik. gw mau tanya >> >juga nih, elu makan taik juga seperti babi pinter itu, tem? >> > >> >ngomong2, setelah elu udah pulang dari gereja buruan gih tanya ama emak lu, >> >"mak, babi itu pinter seperti aye ya?" >> > >> >hehehe.... >> > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hehehe ... ga aneh kalo orang Islam yg percaya jin segala macam itu ga >> >> tau akan kepintaran babi. Mana mungkin orang tolol kayak orang Islam itu >> >> punya pengetahuan yg benar, taunya cuma "pengetahuan" Islam kayak ada jin >> >> dlm lobang hidung, ada obat di sayap lalat dan kencing onta dsb. >> >>  >> >> Ngomong2, pagi ini lu udah nyedot2 air ke dlm hidung lu belum unt >> >> nenggelamkan jin atau setan dlm hidung lu? >> >>  >> >>  >> >> >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> >Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 8:05 AM >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak babi...) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hehehe... si rezameutia ini sedang nunjukin kegoblokannya, ga tau >> >> >> kepinteran babi. >> >> >>  >> >> >>  >> >> > >> >> >si item emang begonya kelewatan sih. masih maksain tetep keukeuh babi >> >> >itu pinter? >> >> > >> >> >gw dah bilang, cuman elu satu2nya orang yang bilang babi itu pinter. >> >> >bahkan jusfiq si junkie tua yang kagak punya otak aja sering maki2, >> >> >'otak babi', bengong kayak babi'. ternyata, elu emang lebih bego >> >> >daripada si jusfiq ya tem. >> >> > >> >> >gini deh tem supaya lebih gampang dan jelas, elu ngomong aja ama ibu >> >> >bahwa babi itu pinter seperti elu. "mak, babi itu pinter itu pinter >> >> >seperti aye". setelah itu lu liat reaksi ibu lu setelah elu ngomong gitu. >> >> > >> >> >ibu lu bisa langsung bunuh diri di depan elu tem, dia bakalan kaget dan >> >> >tidak menyangka bisa punya anak yang begonya kelewatan sepert elu. >> >> > >> >> >hehehe... >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> From: rezameutia <rezameutia@> >> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 4:00 PM >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >> >> >> >babi...) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Babi itu binatang pintar dan berotak, orang Islam kagak berotak. >> >> >> >> Jadi jangan ngehina babi dgn nyamain orang Islam dgn babi. >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'‚ >> >> >> > >> >> >> >hahaha... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >gw ampe ketawa kelojotan di lantai denger si item bilang babi >> >> >> >binatang pinter. pantesan elu doyan makan babi, karena nurut lu makan >> >> >> >babi bisa bikin pinter kayak babi gitu ya? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >btw, nurut elu babi ama elu pinteran mana tem?! kayaknya pinteran >> >> >> >babi, makanya elu doyan makan babi supaya elu bisa pinter kayak babi. >> >> >> >kalo gitu, elu termasuk kanibal dong tem. babi makan babi. hahaha... >> >> >> > >> >> >> >gw baru denger nih ada orang sedemikian gobloknya ini, bilang babi >> >> >> >binatang pinter. terus terang nih tem, elu satu2nya orang yang >> >> >> >sedemikian gobloknya mengatakan bahwa babi binatang pinter. selama >> >> >> >hidup gw, nggak pernah gw denger omongan sebego elu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >pantesan si item bisa pacaran ama si jusfiq junkie tua yang pantatnya >> >> >> >keriput dan kontolnya udah peot. udah abis dah si item dikibulin ama >> >> >> >si junkie tua jusfiq. gw kagak heran dah, emang si item begonya >> >> >> >kelewatan sih.. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >gw sih kesian banget ama ibu lu tem, kok bisa melahirkan dan punya >> >> >> >anak yang gobloknya kelewata seperti elu. entah, ibu lu dikutuk setan >> >> >> >atau diperkosa setan sehingga bisa punya anak yang segoblok elu. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ÃÆ'‚ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@> >> >> >> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 10:41 AM >> >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak >> >> >> >> >babi...) >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'‚ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >safin _blanc ini jelas berotak babi.. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Tanpa argumen ilmiah dia bilang kesimpulan pakar organisasi dunia >> >> >> >> >itu "fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam " >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >Edan. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >> >> >> >wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> .. apa gw bilang? titit lo memang sontoloyo.. >> >> >> >> >> .. bantah tuh kalo lu bisa bantah... >> >> >> >> >> .. disertai bukti.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> .. kalo kgak, orang di milis ini akan ketawain lu.. >> >> >> >> >> .. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the partial or >> >> >> >> >> total >> >> >> >> >> removal of the external genitalia ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" >> >> >> >> >> undertaken for cultural or other >> >> >> >> >> non-medical reasons ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" often causing >> >> >> >> >> severe pain and sometimes resulting in >> >> >> >> >> prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and even death. >> >> >> >> >> .. ini fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam, >> >> >> >> >> sehingga orang yg >> >> >> >> >> bayar ongkos perang percaya bhw islam memang perlu dibasmi.... >> >> >> >> >> .. gw kgak pernah dengar ada cw yg mengalami seperti yg lu >> >> >> >> >> jadikan >> >> >> >> >> referensi ini.. kecuali tentu saja rasa sakit. infeksi bisa >> >> >> >> >> terjadi kalo >> >> >> >> >> caranya kgak hygenis, tapi infertility? kematian?.. hah.. kgak >> >> >> >> >> tahu malu >> >> >> >> >> nyebar pitnah.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> .. sunat juga sakit, apa lu kgak sunat? >> >> >> >> >> .. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bukan Pedanda >> >> >> >> >> <bukan.pedanda@>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ** >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc >> >> >> >> >> > <pandan.wangi558@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw >> >> >> >> >> > > kgak pernah >> >> >> >> >> > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini >> >> >> >> >> > > gw,.. >> >> >> >> >> > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di >> >> >> >> >> > > milis ini, >> >> >> >> >> > urusan >> >> >> >> >> > > begini aja jadi besar.. >> >> >> >> >> > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti >> >> >> >> >> > > titit lu yg >> >> >> >> >> > > sontoloyo.... >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > ** >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg >> >> >> >> >> > > > dipotong itilnya >> >> >> >> >> > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital >> >> >> >> >> > > > >Cutting Rite >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg >> >> >> >> >> > > > >bahagia.. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam >> >> >> >> >> > > > >di milis >> >> >> >> >> > ini,... >> >> >> >> >> > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >kasihaaaannn... >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> ** >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> ketawa2, >> >> >> >> >> > berarti lu >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> itu udah >> >> >> >> >> > disunat >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> belum itilnya? >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> plus plus itu >> >> >> >> >> > ga >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> negara syariat >> >> >> >> >> > iblis, >> >> >> >> >> > > > spt >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> itilnya, >> >> >> >> >> > cewek >> >> >> >> >> > > > yg >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >Cutting Rite >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >kawin, dan >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >kita >> >> >> >> >> > tetangganya >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >bilang,.. >> >> >> >> >> > ngesek >> >> >> >> >> > > > itu >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >melibas >> >> >> >> >> > islam dan >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> ** >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> dingy room, >> >> >> >> >> > where an >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> me sit on a >> >> >> >> >> > low >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> wooden >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> somethingÃÆ'¢â‚¬Â¦I screamed >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> out >> >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> pain," >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> experience. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> good fight" >> >> >> >> >> > before >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> she >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> being taken >> >> >> >> >> > to >> >> >> >> >> > > > the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> soap went >> >> >> >> >> > there >> >> >> >> >> > > > while >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> bathing!" >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> daughters >> >> >> >> >> > > > undergo >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> (FGM/C), the >> >> >> >> >> > > > Dawoodi >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> community >> >> >> >> >> > first >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> began >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> tight-knit >> >> >> >> >> > > > community, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> estimated to >> >> >> >> >> > > > number >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> two >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> million the world over. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Indian weekly >> >> >> >> >> > > > `Outlook' >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Bohras trace >> >> >> >> >> > back to >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> their >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> because they >> >> >> >> >> > see >> >> >> >> >> > > > this >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> as >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> women and men >> >> >> >> >> > > > even >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> rather than >> >> >> >> >> > question a >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> violation of a >> >> >> >> >> > woman's >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> body." >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> procedure that >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> organs for >> >> >> >> >> > > > non-medical >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> countries, may >> >> >> >> >> > involve >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> well as in some >> >> >> >> >> > > > Middle >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> mutilation. >> >> >> >> >> > > > African >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Central >> >> >> >> >> > African >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Kenya and >> >> >> >> >> > Egypt. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> since it is done >> >> >> >> >> > > > with >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> curb a woman's >> >> >> >> >> > > > sexual >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> sees it as a >> >> >> >> >> > way >> >> >> >> >> > > > of >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> controlling women. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of >> >> >> >> >> > Obstetricians and >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> that a >> >> >> >> >> > > > community as >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> this >> >> >> >> >> > practice. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> or clip (of >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> the woman of >> >> >> >> >> > > > sexual >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Syed, finds >> >> >> >> >> > no >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> am no >> >> >> >> >> > religious >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> scholar, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> injunction, I'd >> >> >> >> >> > suggest >> >> >> >> >> > > > the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> the reason so >> >> >> >> >> > that >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> they >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Haider asks. >> >> >> >> >> > "Women >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> who >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> promiscuous!" she says. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> who goes by >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > > > name >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> of >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> online petition >> >> >> >> >> > > > asking >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Burhanuddin, to >> >> >> >> >> > have >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> this >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> who is based >> >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> > > > the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> barbaric ritual >> >> >> >> >> > has no >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> place >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> pray to His >> >> >> >> >> > > > Holiness >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> to >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> are in a >> >> >> >> >> > minority >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> among >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> still get >> >> >> >> >> > their >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> the community's >> >> >> >> >> > > > high >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> priest. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> must be some >> >> >> >> >> > > > goodness >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> in >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Mohammad, >> >> >> >> >> > 38, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> mother >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "gross" and >> >> >> >> >> > "barbaric", >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> but >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> very safe >> >> >> >> >> > manner >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> today >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> by doctors." >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> circumcisions. "It >> >> >> >> >> > takes >> >> >> >> >> > > > less >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> local >> >> >> >> >> > anaesthesia. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> Just a >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> said. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> rite except >> >> >> >> >> > what >> >> >> >> >> > > > was >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> clitoris is >> >> >> >> >> > unclean and >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> information >> >> >> >> >> > > > circulating >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> community >> >> >> >> >> > with >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> decisions. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> generation. >> >> >> >> >> > They >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> will >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> them," she says >> >> >> >> >> > of a >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> rite >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> all strata >> >> >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> >> > > > Bohra >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> petition because >> >> >> >> >> > "it's >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> she was seven >> >> >> >> >> > by >> >> >> >> >> > > > her >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show how >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> this ritual >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> perpetuates >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> for life for >> >> >> >> >> > > > getting >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "I have >> >> >> >> >> > friends >> >> >> >> >> > > > who >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> drive. On the >> >> >> >> >> > other >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> hand, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> child's clitoris >> >> >> >> >> > gives >> >> >> >> >> > > > me >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Amena Ali. She >> >> >> >> >> > > > refuses >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> to >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> considered the right >> >> >> >> >> > age >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> band >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> animated forum >> >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> the very >> >> >> >> >> > first >> >> >> >> >> > > > time, >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> once the media >> >> >> >> >> > got >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> into >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> talking about >> >> >> >> >> > > > their >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> exchange from >> >> >> >> >> > > > India. >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> signatures. 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