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On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:13 AM, item abu <item...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Goblok, gua bukan Bukan Pedanda. > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi...@gmail.com> > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 12:12 AM > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Re: Women Expose (safin _blanc yang berotak > babi...) > > > > >..wah gw telat balas tulisan item yg belepotan taik salman rusdi ini... > >.. bukan kgak mau balas, soalnya gw lagi melancong ... capeknya masih > >terasa.. > > > >gini tem.. > > > >gw kgak silau oleh tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg didominasi amrik sama > >konco2nya yg ngejelekin islam supaya mrk punya legitimasi ngebantai orang > >islam ...... apalagi tulisan yg ngaco seperti yg lu percaya itu..... apa > >perempuan disunat lalu kgak bisa beranak? bahkan bisa mati segala?... > >tulisan pakar organisasi dunia yg ngawur, sama sekali kgak kredibel..... > >kgak perlu ada studi ilmiah utk bilang tulisan mereka ngawur.. kenyataan > di > >dunia nyata sdh jelas bhw statement mereka ngawur.. > > > >dan lu percaya sama tulisan mereka? tentu saja lu percaya karena lu memang > >bagian dari orang yg mau melibas islam dan orang islam.. dimilis ini .. > and > >beyond.. > > > >setiap ada tulisan yg seperti ini lu telen bulat seperti lu telen taik > >salman rusdi.... dan lu kgak punya malu sebarin tulisan konyol penuh > >fitnah.. sama artinya dengan lu tukang fitnah juga...... jelas? > > > >.. ihh... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.peda...@yahoo.com > >wrote: > > > >> ** > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> safin _blanc ini jelas berotak babi.. > >> > >> Tanpa argumen ilmiah dia bilang kesimpulan pakar organisasi dunia itu > >> "fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam " > >> > >> Edan. > >> > >> > >> > >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@...> > wrote: > >> > > >> > .. apa gw bilang? titit lo memang sontoloyo.. > >> > .. bantah tuh kalo lu bisa bantah... > >> > .. disertai bukti.. > >> > > >> > .. kalo kgak, orang di milis ini akan ketawain lu.. > >> > .. > >> > > >> > Female genital mutilation or cutting (FGM/C) is the partial or total > >> > removal of the external genitalia undertaken for cultural or other > >> > non-medical reasons often causing severe pain and sometimes > resulting > >> in > >> > prolonged bleeding, infection, infertility and even death. > >> > .. ini fitnah yg dilakukan orang2 yg mau ngelibas islam, sehingga > orang > >> yg > >> > bayar ongkos perang percaya bhw islam memang perlu dibasmi.... > >> > .. gw kgak pernah dengar ada cw yg mengalami seperti yg lu jadikan > >> > referensi ini.. kecuali tentu saja rasa sakit. infeksi bisa terjadi > kalo > >> > caranya kgak hygenis, tapi infertility? kematian?.. hah.. kgak tahu > malu > >> > nyebar pitnah.... > >> > > >> > .. sunat juga sakit, apa lu kgak sunat? > >> > .. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Bukan Pedanda <bukan.pedanda@ > ...>wrote: > >> > > >> > > ** > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > safin _blanc yang berotak babi dan berpengetahuan dangkal... > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?Cr1=health&NewsID=37478&Cr=women > >> > > > >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > >> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > ..ngapain ngurus yg ginian, apa kgak ada kerjaan lain? gw kgak > pernah > >> > > > denger cw sekeliling gw yg complain soal ini.. termasuk bini gw,.. > >> > > > ..cw juga kgak usil ngurusin laki2 yg sunat... > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > tp buat lu yg memang mau melibas islam dan orang islam di milis > ini, > >> > > urusan > >> > > > begini aja jadi besar.. > >> > > > ato barangkali bini lu kgak puas? klo dia kgak puas berarti titit > lu > >> yg > >> > > > sontoloyo.... > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:03 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > ** > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Hehehe... jadi lu sama sekali ga peduli dgn cewek2 yg dipotong > >> itilnya > >> > > > > itu, nurut lu, itu urusan mereka, bukan urusan lu. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > >> > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 7:24 AM > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting > Rite > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >lu usil kgak ada kerjaan ngurus itil cw. > >> > > > > >itu urusan sesama perempuan.. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >lu memang tukang fitnah. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >gw bilang kenyataan bhw banyak, banyak sekali muslimah yg > >> bahagia.. > >> > > > > >lu yg penuh fitnah dalam ngelibas islam dan orang islam di > milis > >> > > ini,... > >> > > > > >yang..gw yakin kgak bahagia.. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >kasihaaaannn... > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:29 AM, item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> ** > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> Jadi lu suka ngeliat dan ngedenger cewek tetangga lu ketawa2, > >> > > berarti lu > >> > > > > >> ga ngikutin ajaran Islam yg nindas cewek. Tetangga lu itu > udah > >> > > disunat > >> > > > > >> belum itilnya? > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> Hehehe.... spt yg gua bilang sebelumnya, orang Islam plus > plus > >> itu > >> > > ga > >> > > > > >> peduli sama sekali dgn nasib cewek yg ditindas di negara > syariat > >> > > iblis, > >> > > > > spt > >> > > > > >> cewek yg diperkosa di waktu msh anak2, cewek yg disunat > itilnya, > >> > > cewek > >> > > > > yg > >> > > > > >> disiksa di rumahnya oleh lakinya dsb. > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> From: safin _blanc <pandan.wangi558@> > >> > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com > >> > > > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 9:19 AM > >> > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting > >> Rite > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> >tetangga gw 8 bersaudara, perempuan semua... udah pada > kawin, > >> dan > >> > > > > >> >berbahagia.. kalo ngumpul ketawa mereka lepas sampai kita > >> > > tetangganya > >> > > > > >> >merasakan kegembiraan mrk. > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> >gw pernah ikut latihan chen-qi di china... suhu kita > bilang,.. > >> > > ngesek > >> > > > > itu > >> > > > > >> >perlu, tp orgasm merupakan pemborosan energi yg besar.. > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> >supaya ingat, si item sinting ini adalah orang yg mau > melibas > >> > > islam dan > >> > > > > >> >orang islam di milis ini... > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> >On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:11 AM, item abu <itemabu@> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> >> ** > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Islam itu emang laknatan lil alamin > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> PAKISTAN-INDIA > >> > > > > >> >> Women Expose Secret Genital Cutting Rite > >> > > > > >> >> By Zofeen Ebrahim > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> KARACHI, Jan 30, 2012 (IPS) - "It was a dark and dingy > room, > >> > > where an > >> > > > > >> >> elderly woman asked me to take off my panties, made me sit > >> on a > >> > > low > >> > > > > >> wooden > >> > > > > >> >> stool with my legs parted and then did something I > screamed > >> out > >> > > in > >> > > > > >> pain," > >> > > > > >> >> recalls Alefia Mustansir, 40, of her childhood experience. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Her friend, Sakina Haider, remembers "putting up a good > >> fight" > >> > > before > >> > > > > >> she > >> > > > > >> >> succumbed. "I was told by my grandmother that I was being > >> taken > >> > > to > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > >> >> doctor to address burning in the genital area when soap > went > >> > > there > >> > > > > while > >> > > > > >> >> bathing!" > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Both Haider and Mustansir have refused to have their > >> daughters > >> > > > > undergo > >> > > > > >> >> circumcision or female genital mutilation/cutting (FGM/C), > >> the > >> > > > > Dawoodi > >> > > > > >> >> Bohras' best-kept secret until young women from the > community > >> > > first > >> > > > > >> began > >> > > > > >> >> to speak up against it a few years ago. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Bohras, a sub-sect of Ismaili Shia Muslims, are a > tight-knit > >> > > > > community, > >> > > > > >> >> with a majority residing in India and Pakistan, and > >> estimated to > >> > > > > number > >> > > > > >> two > >> > > > > >> >> million the world over. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> An article in the Dec. 12 issue of the popular Indian > weekly > >> > > > > `Outlook' > >> > > > > >> >> says: "Khatna (circumcision) is a tradition the Bohras > trace > >> > > back to > >> > > > > >> their > >> > > > > >> >> origins in (north) Africa, one they continue with because > >> they > >> > > see > >> > > > > this > >> > > > > >> as > >> > > > > >> >> an attempt to stay true to their faith." > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> The Outlook article goes on to say that "most Bohra women > >> and men > >> > > > > even > >> > > > > >> >> today would rather keep this practice a secret rather than > >> > > question a > >> > > > > >> >> custom that is now universally seen as a gross violation > of a > >> > > woman's > >> > > > > >> >> body." > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> The World Health Organisation defines FGM/C as a procedure > >> that > >> > > > > >> >> "intentionally alters or injures female genital organs for > >> > > > > non-medical > >> > > > > >> >> reasons." FGM/C, as practiced in some African countries, > may > >> > > involve > >> > > > > >> >> removal of the entire clitoris and labia. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well as > in > >> some > >> > > > > Middle > >> > > > > >> >> Eastern countries with varying degrees of cutting or > >> mutilation. > >> > > > > African > >> > > > > >> >> countries that have banned it include Burkina Faso, > Central > >> > > African > >> > > > > >> >> Republic, Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Togo, Uganda, Kenya > >> and > >> > > Egypt. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Bohras insist that their practice is not harmful since it > is > >> done > >> > > > > with > >> > > > > >> >> care and moderation. Many justify it as a means to curb a > >> woman's > >> > > > > sexual > >> > > > > >> >> drive and keep her chaste. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Haider finds that argument "highly problematic" and sees > it > >> as a > >> > > way > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > >> >> controlling women. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Dr. Nighat Shah, former president of the Society of > >> > > Obstetricians and > >> > > > > >> >> Gynaecologists in Pakistan, finds it hard to believe that > a > >> > > > > community as > >> > > > > >> >> "progressive and educated" as the Bohras carries out this > >> > > practice. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> "Medically speaking," she explained, "a little snip or > clip > >> (of > >> > > the > >> > > > > >> >> clitoris) may not affect childbirth, but it may rob the > >> woman of > >> > > > > sexual > >> > > > > >> >> pleasure. It is a very sensitive tissue." > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Another gynaecologist and obstetrician, Dr. Shershah Syed, > >> finds > >> > > no > >> > > > > >> >> medical benefit to support female circumcision. "I am no > >> > > religious > >> > > > > >> scholar, > >> > > > > >> >> so if a community believes it is an Islamic injunction, > I'd > >> > > suggest > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > >> >> girls should at least be old enough to understand the > reason > >> so > >> > > that > >> > > > > >> they > >> > > > > >> >> can make an informed decision." > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> "Why do women's sexual drives have to be curbed?" Haider > >> asks. > >> > > "Women > >> > > > > >> who > >> > > > > >> >> are not circumcised are not necessarily promiscuous!" she > >> says. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> A young Indian girl belonging to this Muslim sect, who > goes > >> by > >> > > the > >> > > > > name > >> > > > > >> of > >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem, has now found the courage to initiate an online > >> petition > >> > > > > asking > >> > > > > >> >> the community's high priest, Dr. Syedna Mohammad > >> Burhanuddin, to > >> > > have > >> > > > > >> this > >> > > > > >> >> "cruel, inhuman and undemocratic ritual" stopped. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> The petition addressed to the 96-year-old prelate, who is > >> based > >> > > in > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > >> >> western Indian city of Mumbai, states: "Such a barbaric > >> ritual > >> > > has no > >> > > > > >> place > >> > > > > >> >> in a progressive community like the Bohras. So we pray to > His > >> > > > > Holiness > >> > > > > >> to > >> > > > > >> >> stop this misogynist ritual." Mustansir and Haider are in > a > >> > > minority > >> > > > > >> among > >> > > > > >> >> Bohra women who refuse to accept the practice. Most still > get > >> > > their > >> > > > > >> >> daughters circumcised because it is an order from the > >> community's > >> > > > > high > >> > > > > >> >> priest. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> "I have blind faith in my leader. I believe there must be > >> some > >> > > > > goodness > >> > > > > >> in > >> > > > > >> >> this that there is so much insistence," said Zahabia > >> Mohammad, > >> > > 38, > >> > > > > >> mother > >> > > > > >> >> of three circumcised daughters. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Mohammad conceded that her own experience was "gross" and > >> > > "barbaric", > >> > > > > >> but > >> > > > > >> >> justifies its continuation because "it is done in a very > safe > >> > > manner > >> > > > > >> today > >> > > > > >> >> by doctors." > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> She was present for all of her daughters' circumcisions. > "It > >> > > takes > >> > > > > less > >> > > > > >> >> than five minutes and the procedure is done under local > >> > > anaesthesia. > >> > > > > >> Just a > >> > > > > >> >> very minute bit of the clitoris is clipped off," she said. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> She acknowledged she had little information on the rite > >> except > >> > > what > >> > > > > was > >> > > > > >> >> told her by an aunt "that the foreskin of the clitoris is > >> > > unclean and > >> > > > > >> >> circumcision is for the benefit of the women." > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> She also concedes that today, with a deluge of information > >> > > > > circulating > >> > > > > >> >> against this practice, it is imperative to equip the > >> community > >> > > with > >> > > > > >> >> information to enable them to make informed decisions. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> "Not everyone will accept this blindly, not the next > >> generation. > >> > > They > >> > > > > >> will > >> > > > > >> >> question and prod, so it is important to prepare them," > she > >> says > >> > > of a > >> > > > > >> rite > >> > > > > >> >> that is kept secret from male members of the sect. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Tasleem told Outlook that genital cutting happens in all > >> strata > >> > > of > >> > > > > Bohra > >> > > > > >> >> society. "I'd say 90 percent practise it." > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Arwa Mohammad, who is in her 20s, signed the petition > because > >> > > "it's > >> > > > > >> >> archaic and nonsensical." She was circumcised when she was > >> seven > >> > > by > >> > > > > her > >> > > > > >> >> grandmother's doctor friend. "Just goes to show how this > >> ritual > >> > > > > >> perpetuates > >> > > > > >> >> without anyone questioning!" > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> Married a year back, Mohammad was "not traumatised" for > life > >> for > >> > > > > getting > >> > > > > >> >> circumcised, but cannot comprehend the reason still. "I > have > >> > > friends > >> > > > > who > >> > > > > >> >> have been circumcised like me but have a high sex drive. > On > >> the > >> > > other > >> > > > > >> hand, > >> > > > > >> >> she admits to "frigidity" in bed. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> "The thought of snipping off a bit of a young child's > >> clitoris > >> > > gives > >> > > > > me > >> > > > > >> >> the goosebumps," said 37-year-old uncircumcised Amena Ali. > >> She > >> > > > > refuses > >> > > > > >> to > >> > > > > >> >> put her two daughters, aged six and eight - considered the > >> right > >> > > age > >> > > > > >> band > >> > > > > >> >> for circumcision - under the blade. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> The petition, put up last October, has opened an animated > >> forum > >> > > for > >> > > > > >> >> discussion on both sides of the border, perhaps for the > very > >> > > first > >> > > > > time, > >> > > > > >> >> within the community on a subject that was taboo. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> "Initially, only the non-Bohras were signing, but once the > >> media > >> > > got > >> > > > > >> into > >> > > > > >> >> the act, many women from the community openly began > talking > >> about > >> > > > > their > >> > > > > >> >> painful experience," Tasleem told IPS in an email exchange > >> from > >> > > > > India. > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> So far, Tasleem has been able to collect 1,059 > signatures. "I > >> > > will > >> > > > > keep > >> > > > > >> >> this going till Dr. Syedna bans it. Raising awareness is > the > >> > > first > >> > > > > step > >> > > > > >> >> towards solving the problem." > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> "Whether the ritual will be abolished by this petition, > only > >> time > >> > > > > will > >> > > > > >> >> tell," says Zainab Hussain, 49, but she feels the petition > >> will > >> > > make > >> > > > > a > >> > > > > >> >> difference. 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