Elo itu ngomong itu yang konsisten dikit dong. . . Siapa yang lebih cerdas dalam mengimplimentasikan ajaran islam di indonesia , wali songo atau orang arap yang idup di arap?
Kalo elo bilang implimentasi islam di indonesia versi wali songo ini goblok, trus elo ngapain atuh ngomongin islam arap dan menyamakan islam indo dengan budaya arap ? Emangnya elo lihat ada banyak orang2 islam indo yang semena2 pada pembantu ? Interpretasi islam menurut elo yang berbasis protestan busuk dengan niat busuk, jadinya begini. Nddak karuan. Tapi ya itu tadi, interpretasi itu tergantung kapasitas otak. Karena saya melihat banyak juga kok orang protestan yang dalam implementasi kesehariannya jauh lebih berahlak daripada elo meskipun sama2 protestan kasihan. --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Hehehe.... mayoritas muslim Indonesia itu ga pake Quran dan sunnah sbg > patokan mereka, goblok! > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:00 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for Women > > > > > > > >Dungu itu elo! > > > >Itu bedanya orang yang ngarti arti interpretasi kayak gw dan orang dungu > >protestan busuk kayak elo. > > > >Syiah dan sunni terjadi karena adanya interpretasi yang berbeda terhadap > >sumber yang sama : alquran & sunnah. Demikian juga protestan dan katolik > >memiliki interpretasi yang tidaksama tentang ajaran yesus. > > > >Perbedaan interpretasi akan mengakibatkan perbedaan implementasi. > > > >Elo boleh boleh aja ngaku protestan, tapi interpretasi elo terhadap ajaran > >alkitap telah membuat elo jadi manusia yang sangat busuk. Saya punya banyak > >saudara penganut protestan yang berahlak mulia dan saya hormati. > > > >Jangan malu2 in yesus tem! > > > >Salam, > >pinpin > >islam protestan > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > > > >> Dungu, patokan Islam itu adalah Quran dan sunnah, bukan mayoritas muslim > >> indonesia. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________________________ > >> > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 9:34 AM > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for > >> >Women > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> >Mari bicara tentang iran . . . > >> >Tanya sama mayoritas muslim indonesia : "apakah syiah itu sejalan dengan > >> >ajaran islam? " orang2 sunni akan mengatakan adanya ncr atawa > >> >ketidaksesuaian antara ajaran islam dengan syiah. Yang ngomong pasti > >> >ULAMA sunni. Bukan ustad supergoblok yang bernama item > >> > > >> >masalah sertifikat iso lagi2 elo berhasil menunjukkan kegoblokan elo. > >> >Sertifikat sama sertifikasi itu beda gobloooookkkkkk! > >> > > >> >Elo ikut kelas, elo dapat sertifikat. Tapi meskipun elo punya 1000 > >> >sertifikat yang menerangkan elo pernah belajar iso, elo belum tentu dapet > >> >sertifikasi dari badan akreditasi. > >> > > >> >Iso dan kompetitif? > >> >Elo selalu berhasil menunjukkan kegoblokan elo. Iso 9001 itu sistem > >> >dokumentasi bos . . .masalah kemampuan perusahaan untuk berkompetisi itu > >> >urusan lain. > >> > > >> >Saya islam. > >> >Saya suka protes karena islam mengajarka saya untuk kritis. > >> > > >> >Islam protestan jadinya. > >> > > >> >Elo kresten protestan ya? > >> >Bikin aja lagi kresten protestan protestan > >> > > >> >masalah nama aja kok diributin. > >> > > >> >Kasihan. > >> > > >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hehehe.... jadi lu bukan ulama Islam, tp lu bisa kaing2 bhw Saudi atau > >> >> Iran itu ga ngeimplementasikan ajaran Islam. Betul2 dungu lu ini. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Buat dpt sertifikat kibulan ISO sih ga ada susahnya, lu bayar aja unt > >> >> ikut kelasnya, lalu lu dpt sertifikatnya. Ga ada yg perlu dibanggakan. > >> >> > >> >> Faktanya, implementasi ISO dll itu cuma akal2an unt nipuin duit dr > >> >> perusahaan, hasilnya apa? Lihat aja perusahaan Indonesia, mana ada > >> >> perusahaan yg betul2 kompetitif, bersih dan jujur? Itu hasil kerja lu? > >> >> Omong kosong doang semuanya. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Lu ga tau apa2 ttg ajaran islam, kalo lu mau ngarang bikin agama > >> >> sendiri, jangan nyatut nama Islam dan jangan jg nyatut nama Protestan. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >________________________________ > >> >> > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > >> >> >To: [email protected] > >> >> >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:21 AM > >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable > >> >> >for Women > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >Ãâà> >> >> >Lu tanya gue siapa? > >> >> >Aku punya sertifikat kompetensi ISO 9001, pengalaman lebih dari 14 > >> >> >tahun dalam bidang implementasi sistem manajemen dan -jelas- memiliki > >> >> >kompetensi dalam hal penerapan dan audit serta pengembangan sistem > >> >> >secara terus menerus dan berkesinambungan. > >> >> > > >> >> >Dalam hal implementasi klausul "kebersihan sebagian dari iman" maka > >> >> >singapore, australia, jauh lebih islami dibanding iran atawa > >> >> >afganistan. > >> >> > > >> >> >Dalam hal implementasi "manusia yang paling baik adalah manusia yang > >> >> >paling bermanfaat bagi manusia lain." maka albert einstein, bill gate, > >> >> >thomas alfa edison, sidharta gautama, adalah jauh lebih islami > >> >> >dibanding manusia2 najis berbaju gamis berjenggot panjang dan rajin > >> >> >shalat namun pada saat bersamaan jago korupsi, senang makan harta anak > >> >> >yatim > >> >> > > >> >> >elo siapa tem? > >> >> > > >> >> >Nddak lebih dari penjaga game online yang dapet orderan untuk > >> >> >memprovokasi dengan modal cut paste dengan bayaran sekian perak per > >> >> >klik. > >> >> > > >> >> >Manusia yang tiada guna. > >> >> > > >> >> >Sama seperti guru kamu yang di holland. Tak lebih dari sekedar sampah. > >> >> > > >> >> >Kasihan. > >> >> > > >> >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Emangnya, lu ini siapa shg bisa bilang ajaran Islam ga > >> >> >> diimplementasikan di Iran, Afghan atau Arab Saudi? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Lu ini kan cuma lulusan pesantren yg percaya kibulan kafir kayak > >> >> >> Maurice Bucaille, lu bukan ulama Arab atau Iran yg udah belajar > >> >> >> Islam selama puluhan thn. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >________________________________ > >> >> >> > From: pinpinyuliansyah <pinpinyuliansyah@> > >> >> >> >To: [email protected] > >> >> >> >Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:51 PM > >> >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable > >> >> >> >for Women > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >Tem, kan elo yang bilang kalau arap saudi itu bukan negara islam. > >> >> >> >Kan elo yang bilang itumah kerajaan keluarga saud . . . ! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Afganistan dan iran negara islam? please deh . . . Saat rasul > >> >> >> >ditanya ya rasul, apakah madinah itu ? Rasul menjawab madinah > >> >> >> >adalah tempat dimana ajran islam itu tegak (terimplementasi) > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Tempat dalam konteks negara yang telah relative berhasil > >> >> >> >mengaplikasikan ajaran islam tentang kebersihan adalah sebagian > >> >> >> >dari iman diantaranya singapore . . . Ostrali. . . Brunei . . > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Gua yakin si arra_s pasti pengen setengah mati unt hidup di > >> >> >> >> negara Islam spt Iran atau Arab Saudi. Atau mungkin Afghanistan > >> >> >> >> adalah tempat yg paling ideal. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 77 Academic Subjects Announced Not Suitable for Women > >> >> >> >> Wednesday, 08 August 2012 > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The 935,000 applicants to Iranian > >> >> >> >> universities for the next academic year face unprecedented gender > >> >> >> >> discrimination in some study subjects. > >> >> >> >> Mohabat News -- Rooz Online reports, New previously un-announced > >> >> >> >> restrictions are barring > >> >> >> >> women from pursuing certain university studies. Most of these > >> >> >> >> academic > >> >> >> >> programs are generally in the engineering fields which until last > >> >> >> >> year > >> >> >> >> were equally open to men and women. With the new regulations, > >> >> >> >> some 77 > >> >> >> >> specific academic fields at the graduate level will be denied to > >> >> >> >> women > >> >> >> >> in the country's 36 government universities. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> From 28 to 30 June this year some 1 > >> >> >> >> million and 660 thousand applicants took the national university > >> >> >> >> entrance examinations in Iran. From amongst them over 935,000 of > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> accepted applicants must announce their specific field of study > >> >> >> >> to the > >> >> >> >> national educational evaluation organization by August 13 and > >> >> >> >> then wait > >> >> >> >> for confirmation from the agency. Until a few days ago the wide > >> >> >> >> participation of women in four groups: empirical sciences, the > >> >> >> >> human > >> >> >> >> sciences, the arts and foreign languages dominated the news. > >> >> >> >> Today, the > >> >> >> >> wide and unannounced gender discrimination is the news topic of > >> >> >> >> the day. Responses to the new restrictions have been so extensive > >> >> >> >> that even the > >> >> >> >> Ministry of Education's academic evaluation organization has > >> >> >> >> taken a > >> >> >> >> position against it and it appears that a review and reversal of > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> decision may be in the making. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The testing deputy of the organization > >> >> >> >> rejected the gender discrimination at universities and said, > >> >> >> >> "Because of some considerations, it is possible that through > >> >> >> >> their annual tests > >> >> >> >> certain universities may admit only men or women to certain > >> >> >> >> academic > >> >> >> >> fields, but this does not mean that student admission to these > >> >> >> >> fields is restricted to a specific gender because other > >> >> >> >> universities follow their own admission policies and applicants > >> >> >> >> can apply to the same fields in > >> >> >> >> other universities." > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Seyed Jalal Tabatabai implicitly accepts the new decision of the > >> >> >> >> universities. "The need to admit students to > >> >> >> >> different fields is determined by universities and in principle > >> >> >> >> this > >> >> >> >> decision is made on the basis of the needs and necessities of > >> >> >> >> society. > >> >> >> >> Therefore, some fields in some years are only available to men or > >> >> >> >> women," he said. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The director general for the spread of > >> >> >> >> education at the ministry of science, research and technology > >> >> >> >> however is more direct. "Universities draw up plans for the > >> >> >> >> future of higher > >> >> >> >> education in the provinces and other parts of the country on the > >> >> >> >> basis > >> >> >> >> of the results they obtain from the entrance exams and the state > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> higher education in the past. They also consider their capacity > >> >> >> >> and the > >> >> >> >> needs of society." Seyed Abolfazl Hassani added, "Some fields are > >> >> >> >> not > >> >> >> >> very suitable for women's nature such as agricultural machinery > >> >> >> >> or > >> >> >> >> mining, partly because of the hard work involved in them. Past > >> >> >> >> experience shows that women do not become professionally active > >> >> >> >> in these fields after they are admitted to these subjects and > >> >> >> >> even after they > >> >> >> >> graduate. This results in unemployment of graduates." > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> A few days after these remarks, however, the official was forced > >> >> >> >> to change his position and said, "Letters have > >> >> >> >> been sent to the heads of these universities to enquire about the > >> >> >> >> reasons for their decision. This is because if a university > >> >> >> >> decides to > >> >> >> >> admit only men or women to specific academic programs, it must > >> >> >> >> first > >> >> >> >> establish the necessary infrastructure for such a gender > >> >> >> >> separation." > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Hossein Tavakoli, the senior advisor to > >> >> >> >> the entrance examination organization also announced that a new > >> >> >> >> policy > >> >> >> >> directive had been issued which states that a new coding system > >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> academic subjects had been instituted in the organization which > >> >> >> >> resolved the issue of gender restrictions. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Subjects OK Until Last Year, but Not Now > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Amid the corrections and announcements > >> >> >> >> by officials, Mehr news agency looked into the manual on subject > >> >> >> >> selection and concluded that the 36 universities do not carry > >> >> >> >> master's > >> >> >> >> graduate programs for women in 77 specific fields. Last year, > >> >> >> >> these very universities had admitted women to the same subjects > >> >> >> >> that are banned > >> >> >> >> today. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> For example, a university in Ardebil had 24 fields; one in > >> >> >> >> Lorestan had 18 fields and the International School > >> >> >> >> of Imam Khomeini had 15 fields had the most admittances only to > >> >> >> >> men in > >> >> >> >> these 77 fields. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Urban development engineering, urban > >> >> >> >> development with a major in surveillance at 15 universities had > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> largest number of students reserved only for men. Following that > >> >> >> >> came > >> >> >> >> management and mining engineering programs in 12 universities > >> >> >> >> which only admitted men to them. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> But academic subjects that are denied to women are not restricted > >> >> >> >> to these and others such as accounting, > >> >> >> >> education fields, restoration of historic buildings, pure > >> >> >> >> chemistry etc > >> >> >> >> are also shut to women. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> In this regard, the Oil Industry University also announced that > >> >> >> >> "at the moment it did not have any need for women resources." > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The head of the public relations office > >> >> >> >> of this school announced that "the management of the oil industry > >> >> >> >> did > >> >> >> >> not believe that the harsh conditions of operations in this field > >> >> >> >> did > >> >> >> >> not make it suitable for women." He continued, "According to > >> >> >> >> recent > >> >> >> >> surveys conducted by the public relations office of the Oil > >> >> >> >> Industry > >> >> >> >> University, not all women students were satisfied with the fields > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> >> conditions to which they had been admitted." According to him, > >> >> >> >> between > >> >> >> >> the years 1939 and 2000 no women were admitted to this school. > >> >> >> >> Since > >> >> >> >> 2000, women have been admitted to all programs except drilling. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> According to Khabar Online, Alame > >> >> >> >> Tabatabai University's course book booklet for this year has > >> >> >> >> reserved > >> >> >> >> the following fields only for men: social work, accounting, > >> >> >> >> industrial > >> >> >> >> management, and hotel management while reserving these fields for > >> >> >> >> women: education, political science, library science and > >> >> >> >> information > >> >> >> >> dissemination. Chamran University of Ahvaz too has taken measures > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> only admit men to its engineering programs. This denies women the > >> >> >> >> possibility of pursuing education in the fields of math and > >> >> >> >> technical > >> >> >> >> sciences in that province. Since these two schools are the main > >> >> >> >> institutions of higher education in the province, the denial > >> >> >> >> means that > >> >> >> >> women for the first time cannot study petroleum related subjects > >> >> >> >> there. > >> >> >> >> This limitation does not exist for women in other universities > >> >> >> >> such as > >> >> >> >> those in Tehran, Shiraz or Tabriz. This forces women who are > >> >> >> >> interested > >> >> >> >> in these fields to move to other regions of the country which > >> >> >> >> makes them less competitive because of the strengths of the > >> >> >> >> residents of those > >> >> >> >> provinces. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Gender separation has been a serious > >> >> >> >> policy pursued by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's administration which has > >> >> >> >> repeatedly been defended by Kamran Daneshjoo, the minister of > >> >> >> >> science. > >> >> >> >> The basis for this policy is the policy to separate men and women > >> >> >> >> on > >> >> >> >> campuses. But the president's office has issued a special > >> >> >> >> directive to > >> >> >> >> the minister of science and universities questioning the > >> >> >> >> single-gender > >> >> >> >> classrooms that some universities had instituted and demanding > >> >> >> >> that the > >> >> >> >> practice be stopped. But segregation continues at the > >> >> >> >> institutions and > >> >> >> >> is even expanding as the new policies indicate. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> By Behrouz Samadbeighi > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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