RTAS and tDM plug-ins were a different story altogether. AAX has a different 
librarian system. Again, almost fully accessible. I'm sure it'll be fixed soon.

Slau

On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:13 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4r...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't use the Avid native plugin presets very often, but in my version of 8 
> they are accessible, was that lost at some point? As far as everything Slau 
> is talking about with a control surfase I agree. Some do get by with a simple 
> interface like an M-box, but I think that for navigating through Protools 
> channel strip configaration you need access to faders, mutes and solos  to 
> bring a real world fluidity to your sessions. I am selling a Digi 002 for 
> $250 OBO, it has been a good surface, but I moved up to a 003 and have no use 
> for it at this point. I also am letting go of an Mackie Onyx 1640I, but it is 
> not a surface, it is a fire wire annalog style interface.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slau Halatyn" <slauhala...@gmail.com>
> To: <ptaccess@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Getting started with Protools 11
> 
> 
> I feel I need to step in here and just clarify something so that there's no 
> misunderstanding. The Avid plug-ins are accessible in the sense that pretty 
> much all parameters are visible and editable. Factory presets for Avid 
> plug-ins are not yet 100% accessible in the sense that the table is not yet 
> readable. One can certainly choose a preset but can't read the name until it 
> is selected. It's sort of a nuisance but, for those who absolutely prefer to 
> use presets as a starting point, that's the deal. Otherwise, one can manually 
> adjust everything on the fly. Third-party plug-ins are the same except for 
> the fact that they often have their own browsers for presets which are mostly 
> not accessible yet. Many are aware of the issue and I'm sure things will get 
> better on the preset accessibility. In the mean time, it's sometimes possible 
> to have sighted assistance for accessing the third-party presets and then 
> save them in Avid's library. It's tedious and time-consuming but possibly 
> worth it for certain plug-ins.
> 
> Lastly, although it is possible to use voiceOver to adjust plug-in parameters 
> and, by all means, it is sometimes absolutely preferable to do it that way, I 
> wouldn't want anybody to think that it's preferable to use Pro Tools without 
> a control surface. A control surface, for a blind user, is categorically a 
> more efficient way to work. I would never consider not using a surface for 
> serious work. Yes, to simply track, record, etc., it's not a big deal but 
> mixing? I'd never dream of not using a surface. For that matter, even in 
> tracking, if working with several musicians, if one says, "Could you bring 
> the bass up a little," anything longer than about 3 seconds is way longer 
> than it should ever take to perform that action and, without a control 
> surface, it's impossible to perform that action in less than 10 seconds or 
> more, depending on the size of the session, etc.
> 
> Any control surface is going to add to the cost and learning curve. If you're 
> just recording your own music, perhaps it's not of great concern but, 
> frankly, even if you're mixing your own stuff, it's not possible to 
> dynamically change a fader value with any degree of real-world efficiency 
> when you're trying to press the down arrow at lightning speed to fade by 10 
> db over the course of a half a second. It's simply not possible. A physical 
> fader is indispensable.
> 
> Lest somebody think otherwise, I assure you that a control surface is really 
> a must.
> 
> Slau
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