On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Nan Liu <nan....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Eric Sorenson <
> eric.soren...@puppetlabs.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Eric Sorenson <eric.soren...@puppetlabs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > 7. Umm.. I think that's all.
>>
>> Wow thanks for all the responses, there are a ton of very good questions
>> in here -- some of them got answered inline and I think we rolled up the
>> rest into this little FAQ. which I''m sure will generate a new set of
>> questions :)
>>
>> 0 - Which platforms will get FOSS AIO packages?
>>
>> RHEL/Centos 5, 6, 7
>> Fedora 20, 21
>> Ubuntu 10.04, 12.04, 14.04
>> Debian Squeeze, Wheezy
>> Windows x86, x64
>>
>
> Windows 7/8/2008/12?
>
All of the currently supported platforms for Windows, yes.
>
>
>> Commercial OS'es (Windows excepted) will get PE-only AIO
>> SLES 10, 11
>> Solaris 10,11
>> AIX
>> Mac OS X
>>
>>
>> 1 - How do I manage gems with AIO ruby?
>>
>> Use the AIO included gem binary. ('/opt/puppet/agent/bin/gem install
>> somerandomgem') To make this easier, we can either fix PUP-3688 or add a
>> module with a minimal 'puppet_gem' provider using the AIO path.
>
>
> Maybe just patch up pe_gem module to be smarter? Otherwise a new
> puppet_gem module requires a lot of module updates.
>
> 2 - Will there be security updates, etc?
>>
>> Yes, absolutely.
>>
>> 3 - Will it include puppetdb-terminus?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> 4 - What will the release cadence look like? What if I want to manage
>> component upgrades on a different cadence than upstream, e.g. just facter,
>> or just hiera?
>>
>> We're planning to provide three trains of packaging:
>> * Nightlies, that get built whenever there's a change in one of
>> the component repositories that passes through CI. These will essentially
>> track the latest, like the nightly repos do now.
>> * Roll-up releases that would track tagged versions of the
>> component repositories. This would work like having 'ensure => latest'
>> pointed at the current 'products' repository.
>> * PE releases that track stable releases and are coordinated with
>> the rest of the PE ecosystem, are QA tested, and have some set of backports
>> / commercial enhancements.
>>
>> For power users who want more control than that, we'll have documentation
>> on how to roll your own. The tooling to create AIO will itself be
>> open-sourced so you could build a package that picks the versions you want
>> to include.
>>
>
> That's really helpful, so essentially puppet omnibus.
>
> 5 - Why not use a metapackage which has no content of its own, but has
>> requirements on specific versions of the other 'real' packages that contain
>> the actual programs?
>> * Avoiding a coordinated major version ship across all projects...
>> We're changing the layout on the filesystem (moving to opt) for a few
>> reasons, including shipping our own stack without conflicting with system
>> libraries. This kind of change shouldn't be done in a "y" release (of
>> x.y.z). Components that have been updated can't mix/match with components
>> that haven't. Example: A user has facter ensure => latest, but not puppet.
>> They'll get facter with the new layout (and maybe the new PL-provided ruby,
>> if its a dependency of the new facter), but not puppet, and have a broken
>> install. If the meta-package provides facter, then users with ensure =>
>> latest on facter but not puppet will have a completely new install of their
>> whole stack. Neither of these are ideal. To avoid any automatic installs,
>> we could have facter *not* provide itself, which is also probably not the
>> route to go down. The AIO ensures users have everything they need at the
>> same time, and can just continue using the agent after upgrade.
>> * We want to simplify the endpoint install experience for users.
>> A single endpoint puppet agent package is arguably among the simplest
>> possible deployment mechanisms.
>> * Meta-package only solves the problem for agents with a package
>> manager that can do remote dependency resolution. We want the install
>> experience for agents to be excellent/seamless regardless of the platform
>> you are running, and be the same experience across the board. Users
>> installing a Solaris 10 agent package shouldn't have a different experience
>> than users installing a Debian 7 agent package.
>>
>> 6 - Will using AIO puppet/mco to upgrade AIO work?
>>
>> Once we have AIO packages ready, we'll be doing some testing of upgrade
>> scenarios.
>>
>> 7 - Why are you dropping 3.x agent compat with 4.0 master?
>>
>> We didn't take this decision lightly, and it came down to getting 4.0
>> features out into people's hands sooner rather than later.
>>
>> Backward compatibility on the network in this case is a fair bit of work,
>> which we haven't fully scoped, so in 4.0 we opted for the current tradeoff.
>>
>> We recommend users take a "migrate, not update" approach to 4.0 upgrades,
>> and people taking this approach probably won't much care about this change.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nan
>
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