I was also curious where (and if there was a guess when) to look for nightly 
builds so I can start testing the decisions made. 

Thanks,
jl

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 16:33, Trevor Vaughan <tvaug...@onyxpoint.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm curious as to what decisions (if any) have been made here.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Trevor
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Trevor Vaughan <tvaug...@onyxpoint.com> 
>> wrote:
>> I'm in 100% agreement with John here.
>> 
>> Right now, I have a forked Hiera that I'm using based off of some patches 
>> that I have PRs in for. Once this gets resolved, I'll merge everything back 
>> to the mainline, but I *must* have the ability to deviate when necessary for 
>> the best results of my users.
>> 
>> As with John, if this is not the case, I'll just end up re-packaging 
>> everything myself and forgo the AIO packages (and not be thrilled about it).
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Trevor
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:12 AM, John Bollinger 
>>> <john.bollin...@stjude.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Friday, November 21, 2014 2:47:05 PM UTC-6, Eric Sorenson wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 5 - Why not use a metapackage which has no content of its own, but has 
>>>> requirements on specific versions of the other 'real' packages that 
>>>> contain the actual programs? 
>>>>         • Avoiding a coordinated major version ship across all projects… 
>>>> We're changing the layout on the filesystem (moving to opt) for a few 
>>>> reasons, including shipping our own stack without conflicting with system 
>>>> libraries.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not buying it.  An AIO package does not inherently avoid these sorts of 
>>> problems (i.e. what if I have both 'facter' and 'puppet-aio' packages 
>>> installed at the same time?), and a metapackage approach is not inherently 
>>> any more susceptible to them (it's all about which packages are managed).
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>         • We want to simplify the endpoint install experience for users. A 
>>>> single endpoint puppet agent package is arguably among the simplest 
>>>> possible deployment mechanisms.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yay for simple installation.  A metapackage achieves that, too.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>>         • Meta-package only solves the problem for agents with a package 
>>>> manager that can do remote dependency resolution. We want the install 
>>>> experience for agents to be excellent/seamless regardless of the platform 
>>>> you are running, and be the same experience across the board. Users 
>>>> installing a Solaris 10 agent package shouldn’t have a different 
>>>> experience than users installing a Debian 7 agent package.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So?  You are committed to separate native packaging for a wide variety of 
>>> systems anyway.  Why not make use of the features of those systems that 
>>> have more capable package managers?
>>> 
>>> I really, really dislike AIO packages.  In fact, I tend to break them up 
>>> when I can.  They do confer a greater level of control on packagers, but 
>>> along with that comes considerably more responsibility and exposure, and 
>>> considerably less user flexibility.  If anything needs changing in any 
>>> component, the whole AIO needs to be updated.  Any flaw or vulnerability in 
>>> any component is a flaw in the whole AIO.  The more components you bundle 
>>> together, the worse it is, and it is particularly bad when you bundle 
>>> third-party components.
>>> 
>>> It just doesn't have to be that way on systems that can support 
>>> metapackages.  You can have your cake and eat it too: a metapackage 
>>> provides for easy installation and update, and done right it provides for 
>>> ensuring that a given installation has a tested and approved combination of 
>>> components, but you still have the flexibility of managing components 
>>> individually (possibly requiring the removing the metapackage but retaiing 
>>> the component packages).
>>> 
>>> In the end, you'll of course do what you think best.  If it ends up being 
>>> AIO packages across the board, then I simply won't use your packages.  What 
>>> a shame.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
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