Hello, On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:41:36 +0000 David Mertz <me...@gnosis.cx> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 10:38 AM Paul Sokolovsky <pmis...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > And the const is the cheapest way to make Python a tad faster (for > > sure open up possibilities for further optimizations), which should > > be accessible even to such an old clumsy behemoth as CPython. > > > > This is at least the 50th idea I've seen that will "with absolute > certainty make Python faster" That's why I don't make such claims, and instead making a very different one: that idea with absolute certainty will remove *one* of 50 problems which keep Python slow. Hard-boiled pragmatists among us won't get it, but it's a true intellectual pleasure to be left with 49 problems instead of 50. Besides, if every advanced Python programmer peeled one of such problems, before waving bye-bye and flying over to Haskell, we'd already have a fast Python. In that regard, I continue a well-established Python tradition. (And indeed, we have many fast Pythons, working under various conditions. We still need to pull further as a community to go over the summit where "a Python" is by default "fast", not "slow"). > ... where the first 49 failed to do so, > often despite significant institutional investment in money and > skilled developers. > > Obviously, there *have* been actual speed improvements. But they > rarely seem to follow the "obvious intuitions" of speculation on > python-ideas. Challenge accepted - let's on python-ideas speculate on actual speed improvements, not wait with popcorn for "significant institutional investment" (can do both). > > > Somehow "dire" doesn't strike me as the right word.... Maybe you > > > were looking for "conceivably useful in niche cases."? > > > > Perhaps we can bargain on "really useful in many cases". > > > > I've still yet to see an example that is very compelling. Not speed, > I'll treat that with skepticism. Just in terms of notably improved > code clarity. That's in the eye of the beholder, I'm afraid. So, if you don't want to be convinced of those clarity improvements, you'll never be. -- Best regards, Paul mailto:pmis...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ Message archived at https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-ideas@python.org/message/M5WFSMPX2NUWTV7XQDWNRUWTTAOAPQBJ/ Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
