It sounds like Rich is making a proposition that Quanta should at least investigate, without individuals shooting it down in flames. One thing it does is give Quanta access to a lot of Sinclair fans who aren't QLers - which is the best form of advertising for the QL there is.
imvvho Dave On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Richard Mellor t/as RWAP Services < r...@rwapservices.co.uk> wrote: > On Wed, October 23, 2013 5:22 pm, Geoff Wicks wrote: > > On 22/10/2013 22:21, Richard Mellor t/as RWAP Services wrote: > >>> Thanks for the additional information. Pity I did not know this before. > >>> > >>> What puzzles me is why Sarah wrote in the April/May magazine as if it > >>> was almost a done deal and then they backtrack in Oct/Nov. Surely they > >>> should have realised what the costs were in April. > >>> > >>> Unfortunately Sarah often makes statements in the magazine that she > >>> never delivers. This has happened too often over the website. I gave > >>> Quanta very favourable coverage in QL Today only to find I had been > >>> duped. That's why I have been so hard on Quanta's web failings more > >>> recently, > >>> > >> I thought I had put this in my original suggestion - I never suggested > >> that Quanta fund the whole event. > >> > >> In April / May, so far as I know, the Quanta committee had not > >> investigated any options for holding the event at all. I had made the > >> suggestion that they look at an event at Snibston in April 2014 (not > >> Cambridge) as part of the Leicester based retro computer museum's > >> vintage > >> gaming weekend (which was building on the one they held there this year) > >> - > >> which the committee seemed to be in favour of. > >> > >> However, when I contacted Snibston, they were struggling to offer a > >> small > >> room for a committee meeting / AGM. Talks could be held in the lecture > >> theatre but the cost came back as £1500-£2000 for the day !! > >> > >> I then made a few enquiries to try and find a venue which could offer a > >> larger room for traders and a workshop - but even then, I was thinking > >> of > >> an all Sinclair event to help cover the costs. However, every venue I > >> tried could either not offer anything, or were asking silly money. > >> > >> My last attempt was to try the computer museum at Cambridge, which > >> initially seemed not to be ideal, as it is a bit out of the way, on an > >> industrial estate with what appears to be limited parking - however, the > >> museum have converted their large empty space into two rooms - one of > >> which is a classroom, the other the main display hall, and said that on > >> a > >> weekend the courtyard outside is empty offering around 40 parking > >> spaces. > >> > >> A Holiday Inn has just opened over the road from them, and they > >> eventually > >> came back with confirmation that the bus routes could drop people 5 > >> minutes walk away. They also offered the cut price of £1000 for the > >> weekend on the basis that the museum could stay open to the public > >> still. > >> > >> The latter makes a ticketed event a little awkward unless you can cordon > >> off part of the main hall. > >> > >> However that seemed about the best I could find.... > >> > > Thanks again for the extra information. However it does not change the > > point I was making. Quanta has organised enough two day events to > > realise that they cost a minimum of £2,000. Usually you have to reckon > > on paying £1,000 for the venue and then you have additional costs. > > > > QLis21 had £2,196 in additional costs but there was a lot of > > irresponsible expenditure - AA signposting, beads to the natives (Phone > > trees) and the notorious "I am a Q--er" T shirts. Total cost £928. In > > other words essential additional costs £1,268. > > > > QLis25 is difficult to quantify as they have put other silver jubilee > > costs in the account. The total show costs were well over £2,000. > > > > Sarah wrote in the April/May magazine "we hope to provide an interesting > > weekend". It was clear they were thinking of a two day show which would > > have involved substantial hotel costs, particularly as in Oct/Nov she > > named the two potential venues as Cambridge and Bletchley Park. They > > should have known in April that there would be costs of over £2,000. > > Then why the backtracking in Oct/Nov? > > > > Quanta should have sat down in April and asked the question "What is the > > maximum we can budget for a QLis30 celebration?" I think they would have > > come out at a figure of about £1,000. Then you brainstorm about what is > > possible and what is not possible for £1,000. Clearly it would have to > > have been a 1 day event, > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > QL-Users Mailing List > > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > > > I am sorry - but what other expenses would be involved from a Quanta point > of view for my proposal? > > £10-£15 per Quanta member who attends.... > Presumably only 2 Quanta committee members are required to attend the > celebration event, to promote Quanta. So there would be accommodation and > travel costs for them - they could care share from Manchester if they came > from the pool of committee members up there. > A few printed magazines to hand out on the day. > > If other Quanta commitee members wanted to attend, then they could do so, > but at their own expense. As there would be no AGM or Quanta meeting at > the event, there is no need for all the committee to be there. > > What other costs are you thinking about for the 2 day event? > > From my own point of view if I was going to be organising the event, yes, > there would be travel and accommodation costs of my own on top of the > venue costs. But that would be it... > > Rich > www.rwapsoftware.co.uk > www.sellmyretro.com > > _______________________________________________ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com _______________________________________________ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
