> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Sunday, 20 November 2011 5:44 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Top Level Project Name
> 
> On 11/19/11 19:07, Gavin McDonald wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > I am -0 on changing the name. RAT was simple name and meant what the
> > product does.
> 
> Those qualities make it more difficult from a trademark perspective...
> 
> > (And by now, folks know what it means to produce a 'Rat Report' ,
> > asking folks to produce a Creadur Report rolls off the tongue less.)
> 
> "Apache Rat" is fine as a product name. There's no need to change that nor
> stop talking about rat reports.
> 
> "Creadur" would just be the top level project name, with tentacles,
whisker,
> rat and so on as different products. May end up releasing some "creadur"
> stuff to keep Maven happy.
> 
> > If words like 'Apple' and 'Windows' can be tm'd I don't see why Rat
> > should be any different.
> 
> Trademark law is quite unlike copyright. Apple and Microsoft have big
> marketing budgets to build and defend their trademarks. Apache doesn't.
> 
> > But I don't want to hold up the graduation so above are just thoughts
> > I won't do anything about.
> 
> Thanks

Ok so to not hold up a graduation means actually doing something about
graduating.

I've poured through docs and I think we are done at this point, the IPMC can
point 
out anything else rather than us look for faults. But now we have this thing
called a
project rename to deal with. So:

1. Create a [VOTE] thread someone please to rename the project  to creadur.
2. Vote to graduate.
3. Take that vote to the IPMC.
4. Elect a chair.
5. Do the move.

I am not going to do 1. so if someone can kindly get that done.
I will happily create the vote for 2.
I will happily do 3.
I will happily call a vote for who becomes chair, though I'd rather RBL or
Stefan just get it. 
  (It's going to be one of them)
I will happily as part of RAT and as part of INFRA perform much of the move
to TLP

There are zero excuses now, let's get out of here :)

Gav...

> 
> Robert

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