Hi Patrick,

I don't ride for so long (yet) or lean forward as much (hardly at all,
probably), so it's hard for me to give you realistic feedback. I liked the
ends of the Bosco bars for very upright riding and the top curves for
faster riding, and went with reverse levers to keep the whole top of the
bars clean to allow my hands to go anywhere. The problem was in rough(er)
descents, when I'd find myself having to grab the bars so tightly in order
not to slip forward, that I developed tennis elbow and hand pain that took
a long time to go away. The reverse levers didn't help at all in this
matter, in fact, made it worse. For regular slow street riding, it was all
fine.

The regular Bullmoose bars at their highest, make them incredibly
comfortable on my Hunqapillar; I used to ride them a lot lower and found my
hands would hurt. At the maximum height, they're very comfortable for me.
I'm also using the Portland Design Works Ergo Whiskey Grips that provide a
flat area to rest my hands. I can move my hands along the top of the bar as
well.

Based on your descriptions, I concur with the recommendation for you to try
the Albastaches. Not sure the standard Bullmoose bars will allow you to get
low and long.

René


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:01 AM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm quite the fan out Moustache bars. They're great off-road as they let
> you put your hands & weight forward while giving you that good braking
> position. Mimics the position regular straight or riser MTB bars offer.
>
> While I enjoyed Albas off-road as well, my hands got a lot more tired
> having to hold the bars out on the sides where the brakes were.
>
> I've ended up keeping the Ms on my bike as they meet just about all my
> needs.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Shoji Takahashi <
> shoji.takaha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> Here's Olivier's overlay of the h-bars (also seen in the most recent Riv
>> catalog):
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/
>>
>> Standard bullmoose doesn't get you into a forward position with control.
>> You can grab the forward-most point and tuck, but that's more for
>> aerotucking.. not technical riding.
>>
>> Takashi has standard bullmoose with the knobs to lean onto-- seems like a
>> good addition for longer rides.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8626592972/
>>
>> Based on your description, I'd recommend the moustache/albastache. (I
>> haven't tried albastache but do have and like the moustache. It's a forward
>> for climbing and descending grip with brakes within reach. If you're
>> cruising and want to sit up, do so by grabbing the ends.)
>>
>> best, shoji
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:55:09 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> What I am learning is that while I like an occasional upright/back hand
>>> grip, I prefer being forward, and wide for climbing and descending (and
>>> having access to the brakes from the "hoods." I'm thinking the forward
>>> position on the Albatross is too narrow.
>>>
>>> So, my current list of questions is:
>>>
>>> Can you Bosco Bullmoose riders help me understand what the brake options
>>> and forward/wide grip options feel like?
>>>
>>> Standard Bullmoose riders: how are the bars for flatter stretches (which
>>> is when I like to sit back/upright)? They look ideal for the
>>> climbs/descents. Ideas for attachments to add a "cruising" position?
>>>
>>> Albastache riders: how wide are the hooks, especially in comparison to
>>> the Albatross hooks?
>>>
>>> Anyone have a link to the handlebar comparison photo from the catalog?
>>> Mine is elsewhere since my hobbit hole got reconstructed.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:30:10 AM UTC-6, Coconutbill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  like tires, each one has its application.
>>>>>
>>>> the bosco bullmoose will be at home on your Hunq.
>>>>
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