David (and anyone else who uses moustache or albastache bars for more 
technical single track (rocky, rooted, steep), Could you tell me more, 
comparing the two bars if possible? As you describe David, the albatross 
are great for roads, but they're not designed to have the brakes up front, 
where I want to be for descents. In particular, hand comfort in the curves, 
difference in feel of the width, and stem recommendations for the 
albastaches (I know the dirt drop stem makes sense for the moustache). 
Thanks!

If it makes a difference, I'm fairly broad shouldered.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 12:01:47 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm quite the fan out Moustache bars. They're great off-road as they let 
> you put your hands & weight forward while giving you that good braking 
> position. Mimics the position regular straight or riser MTB bars offer. 
>
> While I enjoyed Albas off-road as well, my hands got a lot more tired 
> having to hold the bars out on the sides where the brakes were. 
>
> I've ended up keeping the Ms on my bike as they meet just about all my 
> needs.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Shoji Takahashi 
> <shoji.t...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> Here's Olivier's overlay of the h-bars (also seen in the most recent Riv 
>> catalog):
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8915626620/
>>
>> Standard bullmoose doesn't get you into a forward position with control. 
>> You can grab the forward-most point and tuck, but that's more for 
>> aerotucking.. not technical riding.
>>
>> Takashi has standard bullmoose with the knobs to lean onto-- seems like a 
>> good addition for longer rides. 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/77318553@N08/8626592972/
>>
>> Based on your description, I'd recommend the moustache/albastache. (I 
>> haven't tried albastache but do have and like the moustache. It's a forward 
>> for climbing and descending grip with brakes within reach. If you're 
>> cruising and want to sit up, do so by grabbing the ends.)
>>
>> best, shoji
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:55:09 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> What I am learning is that while I like an occasional upright/back hand 
>>> grip, I prefer being forward, and wide for climbing and descending (and 
>>> having access to the brakes from the "hoods." I'm thinking the forward 
>>> position on the Albatross is too narrow. 
>>>
>>> So, my current list of questions is:
>>>
>>> Can you Bosco Bullmoose riders help me understand what the brake options 
>>> and forward/wide grip options feel like?
>>>
>>> Standard Bullmoose riders: how are the bars for flatter stretches (which 
>>> is when I like to sit back/upright)? They look ideal for the 
>>> climbs/descents. Ideas for attachments to add a "cruising" position?
>>>
>>> Albastache riders: how wide are the hooks, especially in comparison to 
>>> the Albatross hooks?
>>>
>>> Anyone have a link to the handlebar comparison photo from the catalog? 
>>> Mine is elsewhere since my hobbit hole got reconstructed.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:30:10 AM UTC-6, Coconutbill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  like tires, each one has its application.
>>>>>
>>>> the bosco bullmoose will be at home on your Hunq. 
>>>>
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