Ron, couldn't have said it better! On Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:51:51 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > Don't feel alone in watching bike racing. It's great. It's also great to > race. I know several people who used to ride, because they used to race. > Now they don't ride. It's a shame. Bikes should be purpose-built. > Racing is a purpose. Racing is not the purpose of riding. > > On Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:25:14 AM UTC-5, RJM wrote: >> >> I love watching bike racing. Paris Roubaix this year was a very exciting >> race; I watched it while pedaling my Sam Hillborne set up on a >> trainer....no kidding. >> >> anyway, I don't ever see myself purchasing a carbon frame and can't >> really say I care much about the advantages if any they offer in ride feel. >> I've seen one person go down and into the hospital from a stick in the fork >> (Trek Madone) he ran over while we were on a group ride. Really, a terrible >> fall. It looked like the front of the bike just came apart. The fork blades >> were completely sheared off and he just face planted. Bike was destroyed, >> he looked destroyed...all from a stick...all to gain a couple of seconds >> speed advantage on a group ride. >> >> Now, I'm not crazy enough to think that this can't happen on a steel >> frame or some weird crash can happen while riding a steel bike, but I feel >> much better about my safety while riding my Roadeo or Sam. I have gotten >> sticks in the forks, and I just continued to ride after I pulled them out. >> I think, no, I'm convinced, steel wins in the durability/safety department >> (maybe sitting next to Titanium). I just don't think my bikes are going to >> come apart like my friend's Madone came apart. >> >> There are so many features of my Riv frames that I couldn't get with a >> Madone, or an S works Venge that those kinds of bikes aren't even on my >> radar...and I like to ride fast on fast group rides. My rivs give me so >> much more than some carbon race frame being built today. But, if I was >> going to be honest, one main reason I pick Rivendell as my bike of choice >> is not because of frame material, or geometry, or ability to get handlebars >> a bit higher, or even wide tire use, but because of aesthetics. The look >> exactly the way I think a bike should look and they look awesome. >> >> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:06:52 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote: >> >>> >>> That's not true at all Mathew ! ;) This morning I'm watching the >>> Amstel Gold race, last week Paris Roubaix . Etc. Etc . . I'll watch any >>> European race ! Every Pro bike, anyone can but those frames. The days of >>> custom frame makers for even pros is for the most part gone. There are >>> sometimes an exception or two, for the top talent, but for the most part >>> anyone can buy the same frame as any pro, and the frames are marketed that >>> way . It's just part of selling them. >>> >>> Maybe not yours or my preferred bike style, but so what really , someone >>> does prefer them and good for them :) For me to tell someone what's "good >>> for them" , about any subject . . . well, yeah . . . we've all done >>> that. How well have we truly even followed our own advice ? Ahaahahahaha >>> ! many laughs on that one ! >>> >>> If I could get a nano particle frame sized just like my others that rode >>> like floating on air, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Bye bye Steel . I dare say >>> it's not the material of their frames that people love, it's the feeling of >>> freedom from the self expression of choosing what "I believe is best for >>> me, of my *available *choices". One day even steel itself will be a >>> relic . >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:34:41 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Materials and design that do well in a race, long or short, are proven >>>> to do well in a race. Not for real life. >>>> >>>>> There are many considerations non-racers have that racers do not. >>>> This cannot be overlooked when considering what you want your bike made >>>> of. >>>> >>>
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