My daughter's go-fast has a 1400g wheelset built on bikehubstore hubs with 
Kinlin rims by Hoops (nice guy and builds nice wheels).  If how long it 
will free-spin on the bikestand counts for anything, these hubs are more 
efficient than my Phil wheelset.  

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What is the advantage of the Phil?  If you buy a used wheelset, you know 
it's got many miles left in it

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On Monday, May 5, 2014 11:05:58 AM UTC-5, eflayer wrote:
>
> the law of diminishing returns does set in at some point:
>  
> "The law of diminishing returns is a classic economic concept that states 
> that as more investment in an area is made, overall return on that 
> investment increases at a declining rate, assuming that all variables 
> remain fixed. To continue to make an investment after a certain point 
> (which varies from context to context) is to receive a decreasing return on 
> that input."
>  
> You might consider moving up a notch, but not all the way to bling. Maybe 
> cartridge bearings and lower weight would be fun to play with, and...
>  
> The bikehubstore.com seems to have a fine reputation for selling good 
> stuff and providing good service. All that said, if you don't care about 
> weight and mostly about utility, then I think you won't experience any 
> level of disappointment with nearly anything from Shimano....and they are 
> famous for not making that aggravating pawl click noise found in even the 
> most expensive.
>  
> http://www.bikehubstore.com/category-s/144.htm
>  
>
> On Monday, May 5, 2014 8:14:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>> Pricing out parts for my build, the cost difference in hubs between the 
>> bling hubs and say Shimano hubs are pretty noticable.  A Chris King, Phil 
>> Wood, et. al, are quite expensive, $350ish in the case of the Chris King, 
>> $400+ in the case of the Phil.
>>
>> On the other hand, I found Tiagra 4600 rear hubs for as little as $24.45 
>> online, and 105 5700 rear hubs for $43.45.  Now we all know that Shimano 
>> hubs are loose ball bearing hubs, but in practice what is the functional 
>> deficiency if the bearing preload is properly adjusted?  Some people seem 
>> to think the 105 hub is better sealed than the Tiagra and if so would be 
>> worth $19 to me.  But if not...?  Rivendell sells 105 5500 hubs on their 
>> site, so they must not be that bad.
>>
>> To give some more background, I have a Chris King hub on a frame I was 
>> planning on selling.  The plan was to re-use the CK hub on my new build. 
>>  Different wheel size, so I would need to start over with new rims and 
>> spokes either way.  But if I could sell the CK for $200 or more, and 
>> replace it with say a 105 or even a Deore hub, that would help me get my 
>> build together faster.  The new frame is spaced 132.5 so can take 130 or 
>> 135.
>>
>> I also don't love the fact that the CK hub needs to be taken apart and 
>> re-lubed yearly.  I had an issue before with the lube drying out and 
>> causing the hub to be sticky on transition from pedaling to coasting when 
>> my service interval was too long.  That being said, the polished silver CK 
>> is a bit more aesthetically pleasing than the dull silver Shimano hubs.
>>
>> My main criteria is that the hub is sealed well against water intrusion 
>> and rolls down the road easily.  Low maintenance is a plus.  A difference 
>> in weight of 100 grams is not meaningful to me.  Bling is nice, but my 
>> priority is function over form.  It does need to be silver, of course.
>>
>> Replacing the CK with a mid-priced cartridge bearing hub might be another 
>> option.  The Velo Orange hubs look pretty nice.  I'm guessing they would 
>> probably would require less maintenance than the CK hubs and if the 
>> cartridge bearings are of good quality they would probably be well sealed.
>>
>> -Jim
>>
>> -- 
>> Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! 
>>
>

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