Interesting.  I ride a fendered VO Rando with DT shifters, and it's been 
mistaken for a "classic" (i.e., OLD) bike a number of times, so I kind of 
hope that's protecting it from the sophisticated, and that the Abus U-lock 
and cable are protecting it from the "quick pick" thieves.  So far, so 
good.  

On Friday, September 12, 2014 8:37:32 AM UTC-4, Rusty Click wrote:
>
> Hi Andy,
> First, I'd like to point out that this was not my Sam.  The owner used the 
> local, bike centric social media to spread the word about his stolen S. 
> Hillborne. 
> Secondly, I agree that it takes a more sophisticated bike thief to 
> recognize the "prize", and then have the means to defeat the defenses we 
> put on them.  It wasn't a coincidence that this happened during the week 
> when urban planners from around N. America  were in Pittsburgh to attend 
> the Pro Walk/Pro Bike Conference.   More bike people--more nice bikes.   I 
> wonder about the, arguably "smart" bike thief, then strolling into a well 
> known bike shop like Thick Bikes, and not expecting some raised eyebrows.   
> It will be interesting to get that info when it's out.
>
>
> Rusty
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 12, 2014 5:42:54 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>>
>> I have no idea how the food chain of locks plays in the typical 
>> drug-needy bike thief, they are looking for items to sell fast, at a known 
>> price. Here the police responding to a friend's break-in said there are 
>> dealer of hot goods that frequent certain convenience store parking lots 
>>  and have sort of a fixed price wholesale trade; CDs $3, DVDs $5, laptops 
>> $50, and bikes usually trade from junkie thieves for $20. I don't think the 
>> aforethought of a cordless angle grinder and ability to spot a 
>> secluded-enough bike to chop free occurs in this criminal subset. The good 
>> news about this tier of thief is that they are not discriminating, any bike 
>> will score them the same price. 
>>
>> Someone willing to fight better security of location and locking is a 
>> bike-specific thief and those rings do move around regions to hit the 
>> value, fill their till and move on before their pattern is clear to 
>> enforcement. Info on the guy with Rusty Clicks Sam will be interesting to 
>> hear. one of those rings and individuals making contacts locally, 
>> establishing a background that built  plausibility for higher volume of 
>> parts and frames for sale. They disappear when someone starts asking 
>> questions.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:00:15 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:46:54 AM UTC-7, Andrew 
>>> Marchant-Shapiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Which raises an interesting question, since many of us use 
>>>> U-locks-and-cable approaches.  Are there ways of locking up with a U-lock 
>>>> (preferrably a smallish one) that defeat most methods of defeating the 
>>>> things?
>>>>
>>>> Simple answer: No. 
>>>
>>> An angle grinder will cut through any u-lock pretty quickly. You can see 
>>> videos on youtube of how fast it is. I've seen a titanium lock -- Tigr IIRC 
>>> -- that will delay an angle grinder longer, but still isn't uncuttable. It 
>>> sounds like the recovered Sam had it's lock picked or else not latched 
>>> completely.
>>>
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> wc ca
>>>
>>

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