On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike <matthiasbe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not even a stamp?    No names or logos seems like a pretty strict
> requirement for an artisan to adhere to.    I only say this because I
> wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to
> was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would
> *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of
> someone's skill and time.   If something as personal as a custom
> bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or
> multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those
> hands.
>

I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I
don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a
great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying
production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to
compromise on my requirements a bit.

However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built
into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have
no markings save the ones I want.

I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a
number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and
jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools)

If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me.
I do not  wish to be compelled to do otherwise.

And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to  a point.( That
little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me,
though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos.
No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't
dogmatically follow this rule.
-sv

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