I recall in an early Rivendell Reader an installment of "Who Rides a
Rivendell" (owners & their bikes), with a gentlemen who had a black
Rivendell with no downtube decals (don't recall if it had a headbadge
or not) as a theft deterent.  I believe it was his commuter bike.

Angus

On Oct 26, 2:40 pm, Seth Vidal <skvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:30 PM, newenglandbike <matthiasbe...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> > Not even a stamp?    No names or logos seems like a pretty strict
> > requirement for an artisan to adhere to.    I only say this because I
> > wouldn't call a builder's identity 'advertising' if all it amounted to
> > was a stamp on the bottom bracket or something, and I certainly would
> > *not* look at a custom frame as merely equivalent to/a product of
> > someone's skill and time.   If something as personal as a custom
> > bicycle frame was built by human hands, whether it be an individual or
> > multiple people, I think it should have some marking to identify those
> > hands.
>
> I go out of my way to buy clothing that does not have any logos. I
> don't always succeed but I try. I like my atlantis. I think it is a
> great bike. I think rivendell is a great company. If I'm buying
> production items and I'm happy with the company then I'm willing to
> compromise on my requirements a bit.
>
> However, if I'm paying for something to be custom then I expect built
> into the cost of custom building it is the reality that it will have
> no markings save the ones I want.
>
> I spent hours removing all the logos from almost all the parts on a
> number of bikes. I've unstitched embroidered logos on pants and
> jackets. Removed patch logos. (seam rippers are wonderful tools)
>
> If someone wants to know what products I endorse then they can ask me.
> I do not  wish to be compelled to do otherwise.
>
> And like I said - I'm not unwilling to compromise, to  a point.( That
> little laser-etched logo from Velo-orange annoys the crap out of me,
> though) but for fully custom-made objects I expect no brands or logos.
> No stamps, nothing unless it is something I request.
>
> I don't think I'm being unreasonable at all, especially b/c I don't
> dogmatically follow this rule.
> -sv
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