I hear that such breakages are common, *BUT!* How much of this is due to
poor design, and how much due to the material? I suspect that, if such
things were well designed for the material, they'd be plenty strong and --
I wonder? -- as light as aluminum?

Again, I'd like to see a comparison of the materials as suitable for bikes,
abstracting from stupid or otherwise inadequate design.

Certainly durability would be a very important criterion to compare.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Lungimsam <john11.2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know from carbon, but I don't trust it because of:
>
> 1.  *The strict torque requirements.* Two of my Giant Defy's composite
> seatposts longitudinally cracked with use over shorts periods of time -
> like one a year or something. The first one may have been my fault, I don't
> know, as I didn't know about torque specs at the start of my road biking,
> but I am not a ham fisted mechanic. The* second seat post* came to me
> under warranty and  I used a torque wrench. As time passed I discovered
> that this second one *still split*. I finally just got an aluminum one. I
> don't even know if they split due to tightening or some other factor.
>
> With my metal bikes and components I tighten to feel, but don't over do
> it. I usually snug in a smooth motion, and then give it one smooth
> tightening movement, stopping short of overdoing it. Never jerky. I don't
> tighten it 'til it smokes, either.
>
>
> 2. Also, the myriad stories of busted carbon, and how a little knick turns
> into an epic fail, and even time can lead to a catastrophic fail, *and
> the fact that inspecting the bike can't always tell you when something is
> failing* all lead me to look for an all metal bike for my next one. Giant
> didn't have any all alu bikes at the time. So I looked around online for
> all metal bikes and that's how I found Rivendell.
>
> I'm not saying anything is wrong with carbon. I just don't feel safe on
> it. And sure, steel can fail, too. But I feel safer on metal than on
> carbon. I like the lightness of carbon, though.
>
>
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