Thank you all!  I think I'll need to go to "local" RIV reseller and ride 
some.

I have two bikes, both  early 1990 hybrids.  The first is hybrid more of 
mountain bike and that one is at work, so I can ride after work without 
having to tote my more-liked bike back and forth.  I'm the original owner 
but never "bonded" with it.    The second one, a $140 CL purchase, is 
better, in that it has 700c tires with 36 or 38 width. I got that nearly 
two years ago.   It has twist shifters that work "most" of the time.  The 
ride is pretty nice, but I'm a bit too stretched out on it, even with 
raising the handlebars and moving the seat fore/aft.  Still, this is the 
bike that got me to liking longer rides and smiling while riding.  Riding 
this has made me happy, although my feet get number after an hour or so.  
I've tried a number of current Giant/Specialized/Trek bikes, but then I get 
back on my bike and like the feel of steel better.  

So, I thought that it would be really nice to have a good quality,  steel 
framed, non drop bar bike that fits me well.   Rivendell philosophy and the 
comments here related to the "happiness" of the members while riding, 
 resonated with me.  If I like the bike, can smile when riding and will 
ride more and longer.  Plus, I'd like to go on more group rides and would 
like to keep up.  Yes, I know: the engine.  I'll be doing more at the gym, 
too.  :)

Roberta

On Tuesday, March 21, 2017 at 4:39:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Roberta, I owned a Clem H, and currently have an Appaloosa. I think they 
> both handle about the same - smooth and stable in a straight line, but 
> still a nice turn-in - but I would pick the Appa for a 50 mile ride. It's a 
> little lighter and more responsive, which are things you will appreciate 30 
> miles in and 20 to go. Also, it's a beautiful lugged frame. 

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