Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF *can* be safe but the buyer/owner 
needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying steel.  Because the 
consequences of CF failure are so great, sloppy design and construction 
simply can't be tolerated.  I would tend to trust company like Salsa (for 
instance) because their CF frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme 
light weight.  Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide 
and other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I haven't 
heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall awhile back.  IMO it's 
not the material but the integrity and expertise of the designer/builder.  

Jack
Seattle

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 8:36:48 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Patrick, I think the answer is maybe. If you buy a high-end CF bike from 
> someone like Calfee who knows what they're doing, I think it would be safe 
> IF you don't bang it on something and IF it's inspected regularly. But it's 
> still not going to be a race car that, if it fails, spins around and clouts 
> a tire wall while you're belted in with a full-face helmet. For me I would 
> definitely ride a Calfee frame, but the steering system has to be metal. I 
> need those bars in my hands, and that front wheel in its proper location 
> and rolling. I don't trust carbon to do that. 

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