One more observation. People accept and love handlebars like Bosco, Losco, Jones and Albas. These bars often put your hands behind the steertube/steering axis. But, the same people throw their hands in the air over sub 40mm stems paired with drops that usually (unless you reverse the stem!) place the hands still well ahead of the steertube/steering axis.
Going from drops to upright bars *on the same bike is* rarely seen as crazy, but using a 0 offset stem with drops will at least start at least a conversation with most bike people, even though it is a far less extreme change. Likely emotion/tradition still governs a lot of the component dimension choices. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:05:32 PM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > This will all sound a little vague and I am likely not describing it > perfectly but here it goes: > > To answer the question about how handling changes with shorter stem: > Personally I don't think it affects handling much *as long as it works > within the overall bike bike/rider system*. > > Rather than absolute component lengths and standardized fit across any > bike, I seem to like *contact points in a certain place relative to each > other and relative to whole bicycle* and its intended purpose. If I aimed > for the exact absolute position on my Jones plus as my road bike one of the > two would likely end up handling terribly. If I were to put a 30mm stem on > my road bike but leave everything else as is it would end up feeling > cramped. > > The whole bike and rider system has its sweet spots that vary from bike to > bike and rider to rider. My Jones has 800mm bars and my hands end up in > line with streer tube. bars are higher relative to saddle putting less > weight on my hands and allowing me to be well behind the front wheel on > steep descents. saddle to bar distance is short enough that it is easy to > weight the rear or front wheel by just shifting my body around. I move > around a lot on it. My rando bike is more stretched out. I don't shift > around as much, bars are lower and hands end up well ahead of the > steertube. Cross bike it a bit more compact with bars higher and hoods > higher for steeper descents and so on. I am comfortable with a range of > different positions across different bikes (within reason) but on each bike > I picky about my contact points. > > Despite the significant bike to bike differences each bike handles > superbly for me and all of them are comfortable for long rides across > intended terrain. > > Hope this helps some. > > Clayton Scott > HBG, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 1:41:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> How do such short stems affect the handling of the Atlantis? I use stems >> on my Riv Roads that are short by conventional standards -- 8 cm, and I >> absolutely insist on drop bars with sufficiently long ramps (but >> short-hooded Shimano aero levers and not the very long brifter levers), and >> insist on a bar no higher than level with saddle, so no very short reach >> bar will do. To make up for a very long top tube with a very short stem and >> stubby bar sounds rather makeshift, but I am happy to be proved wrong. >> >> Clayton: I was going to ask, "Please elaborate" and then I saw that you >> did in a subsquent post. My question remains: How does such a short stem >> and bar affect handling if you like your drop bar relatively low -- again, >> no more high than level with saddle. >> >> That said, I've converted several long-top-tube "NORBA-type" mountain >> bikes to drop bars with longish ramps -- Noodle, for example -- using stems >> with short effective reach; for example, Tioga T-Bone upjutters or a 10 cm >> Dirt Drop for example to make 58.5 cm tts match the 56.5-57s on my road >> bikes; these conversions worked well. But I gather that the new Atlantis >> has a more-than-NORBA-length top tube, and I wonder how well you can really >> get it to work with a normal-shape drop bar level with or lower than saddle. >> >> And of course there is nothing at all wrong with sweep-back bars, but I >> wonder how well a frame designed for those will work in the real world with >> drop bars level with etc. >> >> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 7:21 AM James / Analog Cycles < >> analog...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> New MIT Atlantis frames worth fine with shorter reach drop bars and 30mm >>> or 0mm stems. No need to size down. -James / Analog Cycles / Discord >>> Components / Etc etc >>> https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk8H2AKhPiD/ >>> >>> [image: DSC07236-1.jpg] >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 10:56:07 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote: >>>> >>>> The newest MIT Atlantis models do seem to have gotten even longer than >>>> the first round. I personally wouldn’t be able to fit dropbars to one >>>> without it going a size too small, and having way more stem and seat post >>>> than I would be happy with (short stem notwithstanding). I do hope the new >>>> Hillbornes haven’t gotten longer. The roster is pretty chock full of long >>>> bikes. Could be what others want, though. 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