I think MTB's were steered to long top tube short stem route because
of Fat 29er wheels and long travel suspension. Doesn't mean it doesn't
work well, but it's not unheard of for the bicycle world to sell a
compromise as a feature. Maybe 650b wheels are the better compromise?

I admit to being one of those people a few years back that would
declare a bike too big or too small because of +/-1cm differences in
the top tube and +/-2cm in the seat tube. This attitude was super
common on Ibob a few years ago. Nowadays if I can straddle the top
tube and the stem I need is commonly available then I'm mostly OK with
the design. Custom or limited release stems and I start to think
twice.

On 5/19/20, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems that many riders are very happy with short stems and bars
> compensating for longer top tubes. I'd have to try such a combination
> before I paid for one, but it seems there are many different ways to skin a
> cat -- so to speak. And now I recollect that modern mountain bikes have
> similar design qualities; interesting that the new Atlantis and
> Hillborns(?) are following that design trend.
>
> At any rate, the older, short-top-tube / long stem and bar also works
> impeccably for dirt road; perhaps one differentiating criterion is whether
> your riding is more road or more singletrack biased?
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