velomann -
Right.  And did I level the bike when I measured it, or just do it in the 
garage?  With a friend holding it, or leaning on its kickstand?
So many decimal points, so little actual information.  One of the reasons I 
said it should be a fun thread.

The other is that Sams seem to have various published numbers depending on 
the batch, or worse, the same number when they should be different.  The 
latest Riv geometry charts don’t list SOH for the Sams at all.

But it’s a good question.  If you’re going to drop $1500 - $3000 on a 
bicycle bought via a phone call, how do you go for the best fit?  
You can fudge the “effective” stack by moving the stem up or down, and the 
“effective” reach by getting a longer stem or different bars, but the SOH 
is pretty well fixed.  Even tires are a secondary effect.

Jason has the most helpful response.  His 51 Sam has a good SOH for an 80.5 
PBH (30” inseam).

For me, my 55 Sam SOH is just a little tall for an 83 PBH (31” inseam).  
But it is a lot more comfortable overall than a 51 Sam.
In my case I’m right on the SOH size cusp, and the Riv folks did a good job 
choosing the bigger bike for me.

Anybody know where we can find the information for the new Sams?

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