Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 

On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
> surprises me.  
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash <ash...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in 
>> top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 
>> 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>>
>> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I 
>>> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs 
>>> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
>>> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top tube 
>>> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
>>> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
>>> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the Sam 
>>> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm 
>>> just postulating. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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