Good luck with the sale Paul! Can’t wait to see the Rosco builds to come. Another cool looking bike!
On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 1:19:24 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > Correctumundo, the shortest Clems in both styles have the bendy seatstays > on the smaller sizes, the H went through at least (I think only) two > incarnations. The big difference now when looking at used H and L bikes is > the newer Ls are markedly stretched in comparison to any H you will find. > > Joe Bernard > > On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 1:15:13 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I’m not at all sure, but I think the H had at least one run with the new >> longer geo in 2019. It has more cream accents than the older ones is the >> only other thing I have noticed. >> >> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote: >> >>> This might be premature but I have a FFHS 52 Clem H in Grilver that I >>> will be selling once my Roscoe comes in. I bought the bike last year from >>> the original owner. It has some damage to the drive side chainstay and >>> outside of the bottom bracket. The touch up job was very low quality. I >>> didn't care about the cosmetic issues. I think the damage was due to the >>> chain falling off and then some pedaling. I can provide photos if someone >>> is interested and will post an official FS later if there is no interest >>> now. I think this bike was purchased from RBW back in 2019. >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 8:27:31 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote: >>> >>>> ... but i I guess I still don't know that short Hs were ever produced >>>> again, after the Ls got longer. This chart may have just included the >>>> then-defunct H for reference or aspirational purposes. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 9:21:18 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I stand corrected. Here's a geomety chart from the archive that >>>>> DOES simultaneously show the shorter H and the longer L. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20200413014654/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 8:20:47 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That's interesting. I'd put my money on Eric being right and bike >>>>>> insights being wrong. The wayback machine internet archive should hold >>>>>> the >>>>>> answers. The Hs didn't last all that long before they decided to just >>>>>> do >>>>>> Ls. They may even have dropped the upper bar an H version BECAUSE they >>>>>> wanted to lengthen them, and maybe something got whacky with the >>>>>> proportions or angles. I remember that we were all surprised to learn >>>>>> that >>>>>> they'd gotten longer, so it wasn't talked about in the typical, public >>>>>> way >>>>>> that ,say, the decision to drop the clementine name was. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 1:06:21 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for the messages Dustin and John! I love that mustard >>>>>>> color and would have liked to find one in it. I did pick up the one but >>>>>>> don’t know the exact year. It is supposed to be here Friday! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric, when I looked on bike insights it showed the fork rake and >>>>>>> head tube angle being the main difference on the two. Steeper by about >>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>> degrees on the H I think with less rake. Trail numbers are still very >>>>>>> similar though. It would be fun to spend a weekend riding both on the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> paths and trails to decide! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Were your bikes the same gen? The Clem got longer in later models, >>>>>>>> but I always thought the L and H had the same geo for the same model >>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022, John Johnson <johnemer...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed >>>>>>>>> right away there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, >>>>>>>>> longer front center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube >>>>>>>>> length means bars fit differently, stem lengths will need to be >>>>>>>>> adapted, >>>>>>>>> etc. This is not insignificant. bikeinsights is as always helpful: >>>>>>>>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16 >>>>>>>>> , >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L >>>>>>>>> so I sold the H and bought an L. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being >>>>>>>>> a bit stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what >>>>>>>>> you're >>>>>>>>> looking for. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like >>>>>>>>>> the idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up >>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>> pulling my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting >>>>>>>>>> a leg >>>>>>>>>> over but sometimes it could be a benefit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only >>>>>>>>>>> standing still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex >>>>>>>>>>> disappears. Of >>>>>>>>>>> course any frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I >>>>>>>>>>> sold mine >>>>>>>>>>> & have invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it >>>>>>>>>>> though >>>>>>>>>>> as the step through is my favorite feature of the many features I >>>>>>>>>>> love >>>>>>>>>>> about this bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just >>>>>>>>>>> so nice. >>>>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a >>>>>>>>>>> smidge of flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of >>>>>>>>>>> weight on >>>>>>>>>>> it (some folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, >>>>>>>>>>> YRMV). Grab >>>>>>>>>>> that H, it's a good frame! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>> fra...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never >>>>>>>>>>>> ridden a bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to >>>>>>>>>>>> an all >>>>>>>>>>>> time high for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock >>>>>>>>>>>> to use as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and >>>>>>>>>>>> haul more >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. I found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so >>>>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>>>>> hoping for some opinions about the differences here! From what I >>>>>>>>>>>> can tell, >>>>>>>>>>>> the H just has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems >>>>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>>> about the same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as >>>>>>>>>>>> far as >>>>>>>>>>>> parts go than a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete >>>>>>>>>>>> will get a >>>>>>>>>>>> decent price bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a >>>>>>>>>>>> huge >>>>>>>>>>>> deal for me. Thoughts? 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