Thank you for the messages Dustin and John! I love that mustard color and would have liked to find one in it. I did pick up the one but don’t know the exact year. It is supposed to be here Friday!
Eric, when I looked on bike insights it showed the fork rake and head tube angle being the main difference on the two. Steeper by about 2 degrees on the H I think with less rake. Trail numbers are still very similar though. It would be fun to spend a weekend riding both on the same paths and trails to decide! On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote: > John, > > Were your bikes the same gen? The Clem got longer in later models, but I > always thought the L and H had the same geo for the same model years. > > Eric > > > On Thursday, August 4, 2022, John Johnson <johnemer...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed right away >> there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, longer front >> center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube length means bars >> fit differently, stem lengths will need to be adapted, etc. This is not >> insignificant. bikeinsights is as always helpful: >> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16 >> , >> >> In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L so I >> sold the H and bought an L. >> >> I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being a bit >> stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what you're looking >> for. >> >> cheers, >> >> John >> >> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the >>> idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling >>> my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but >>> sometimes it could be a benefit. >>> >>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing >>>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course >>>> any >>>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have >>>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the >>>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this >>>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice. >>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of >>>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some >>>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, >>>> it's a good frame! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a >>>>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high >>>>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! >>>>> >>>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use >>>>> as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. >>>>> I >>>>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for >>>>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H >>>>> just >>>>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the >>>>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go >>>>> than >>>>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price >>>>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. >>>>> Thoughts? 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