Hi Eric, I *believe* they were both 2019 (both were bought that year, but it is possible that the H was an older model... it was the mustard color, not sure which year that was).
But I'm also basing my reasoning on bikeinsights geo charts, which show differences for the same model year. Cheers, John On Tue, Aug 9, 2022, 20:01 Eric Daume <ericda...@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > > Were your bikes the same gen? The Clem got longer in later models, but I > always thought the L and H had the same geo for the same model years. > > Eric > > On Thursday, August 4, 2022, John Johnson <johnemeryjohn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed right away >> there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, longer front >> center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube length means bars >> fit differently, stem lengths will need to be adapted, etc. This is not >> insignificant. bikeinsights is as always helpful: >> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16 >> , >> >> In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L so I >> sold the H and bought an L. >> >> I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being a bit >> stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what you're looking >> for. >> >> cheers, >> >> John >> >> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the >>> idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling >>> my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over but >>> sometimes it could be a benefit. >>> >>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing >>>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course any >>>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have >>>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as the >>>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about this >>>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice. >>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of >>>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some >>>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that H, >>>> it's a good frame! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a >>>>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high >>>>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! >>>>> >>>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use >>>>> as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. I >>>>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping for >>>>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H just >>>>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the >>>>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go than >>>>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price >>>>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. >>>>> Thoughts? 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