That's interesting. I'd put my money on Eric being right and bike insights being wrong. The wayback machine internet archive should hold the answers. The Hs didn't last all that long before they decided to just do Ls. They may even have dropped the upper bar an H version BECAUSE they wanted to lengthen them, and maybe something got whacky with the proportions or angles. I remember that we were all surprised to learn that they'd gotten longer, so it wasn't talked about in the typical, public way that ,say, the decision to drop the clementine name was.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 1:06:21 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote: > Thank you for the messages Dustin and John! I love that mustard color and > would have liked to find one in it. I did pick up the one but don’t know > the exact year. It is supposed to be here Friday! > > Eric, when I looked on bike insights it showed the fork rake and head tube > angle being the main difference on the two. Steeper by about 2 degrees on > the H I think with less rake. Trail numbers are still very similar though. > It would be fun to spend a weekend riding both on the same paths and trails > to decide! > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:22 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote: > >> John, >> >> Were your bikes the same gen? The Clem got longer in later models, but I >> always thought the L and H had the same geo for the same model years. >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Thursday, August 4, 2022, John Johnson <johnemer...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I had a Clem H and my wife has the same size Clem L. I noticed right >>> away there were a few differences; the L has a longer top tube, longer >>> front center, and longer wheelbase. The difference in top tube length means >>> bars fit differently, stem lengths will need to be adapted, etc. This is >>> not insignificant. bikeinsights is as always helpful: >>> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5e234be7c6f2c50017f1e4cc,5e234e0e5c58cd001776de16 >>> , >>> >>> In the end, I was jealous of the extra reach on my wife's Clem L so I >>> sold the H and bought an L. >>> >>> I would say they do ride a bit differently (agreed on the H being a bit >>> stiffer). Both are great bikes, and it just depends on what you're looking >>> for. >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 4:12:44 PM UTC+2 fra...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you for the thoughts Richard, nice looking bike! I do like the >>>> idea of the step thru on these. Especially for loading it up while pulling >>>> my daughter in the trailer. I don’t have any trouble getting a leg over >>>> but >>>> sometimes it could be a benefit. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:59:11 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have an “L” and I do notice the flex when loaded - but only standing >>>>> still or just “pushing off”. Once moving the flex disappears. Of course >>>>> any >>>>> frame bags you might have are useless on the “L”. So I sold mine & have >>>>> invested in traditional racks & bags. It’s all been worth it though as >>>>> the >>>>> step through is my favorite feature of the many features I love about >>>>> this >>>>> bike. Not saying don’t get the “H”, but the “L” is just so nice. >>>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 3, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's basically the same, just a little stiffer. The L has a smidge of >>>>> flex in the frame that shows up if you load a bunch of weight on it (some >>>>> folks I've mentioned this to say they don't notice it, YRMV). Grab that >>>>> H, >>>>> it's a good frame! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 9:02:34 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just finished my Susie build (first Riv) and I have never ridden a >>>>>> bike like it. It brings comfort and riding enjoyment to an all time high >>>>>> for me! I do however find it to be almost too nice! >>>>>> >>>>>> I was interested in waiting for a Clem L to come back in stock to use >>>>>> as my grocery getter/winter bike to keep fenders on and haul more stuff. >>>>>> I >>>>>> found a Clem H for sale that I’m interested in though so I was hoping >>>>>> for >>>>>> some opinions about the differences here! From what I can tell, the H >>>>>> just >>>>>> has a sleeper head tube angle and everything else seems to be about the >>>>>> same. Do they ride similar? The H is a better deal as far as parts go >>>>>> than >>>>>> a complete. I’m also almost certain the complete will get a decent price >>>>>> bump on the next run. The step thru is cool but not a huge deal for me. >>>>>> Thoughts? 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